no secondary

[SiHoltye]

Yeah, 2 of my corni style kegs (there are different makes) have their lowest points as a dimple in the centre bottom of them. If the hops were not buoyant (and they are not naturally, they take on water and sink) they might fall to this point and block the long dip tube that is there also.

[Vossy1]

So Vossy, we all think we know that you've been known to partake of a juvenile (beer that is)

How clear are any all pale brews you drink this early?

Fairly clear, but at this point they wouldn't be chilled, and chilling would make them more hazy.

[SiHoltye]

I thought chilling would drop more yeast out. When the drink warms up to 13° or thereabouts shouldn't it be all the clearer for the chiller stage?
What do I know???

edit: I may be entering Wez and your's HAZE territory here! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Seriously good thread though, v helpful. I'm just sorry i have the need to read it.

[Vossy1]

When the drink warms up to 13°

I never chill below 13 deg c, but even at this lowly stage the haze gremlins show up
Feck em...it still tastes nice

[Muckinfuggle]

Interesting variations on a theme here.

Has anyone noted a difference in the clarity / stability of the sediment either in bottles or in kegs when using DME instead of straight forward household sugar to prime?

I'm too tight to fork out for the full Co2 system so am using a home made dispensing system based on a sodastream bottle. This means I need to prime the kegs in order to condition/carbonate and then just help the beer out again with the Co2 when the pressure gets low. As you would with a beer barrel or beer sphere type thing.

In my limited experience I get a much better head with DME but the sediment is much more easily disturbed than that of sugar whether in the keg or in a bottle. I've heard of people using gelatine to fix the sediment issue but wondered what the best way to go might be?

In short I like the head froth and improved retention I seem to get with DME but I could do without the cloudyness - particularly as I enjoy my ales quite fresh...can't wait for 3 months....Also using Wyeast 1968 mostly

Would be grateful for your thoughts/ findings

Muckin

[Muckinfuggle]

Interesting variations on a theme here.

Has anyone noted a difference in the clarity / stability of the sediment either in bottles or in kegs when using DME instead of straight forward household sugar to prime?

I'm too tight to fork out for the full Co2 system so am using a home made dispensing system based on a sodastream bottle. This means I need to prime the kegs in order to condition/carbonate and then just help the beer out again with the Co2 when the pressure gets low. As you would with a beer barrel or beer sphere type thing.

In my limited experience I get a much better head with DME but the sediment is much more easily disturbed than that of sugar whether in the keg or in a bottle. I've heard of people using gelatine to fix the sediment issue but wondered what the best way to go might be?

In short I like the head froth and improved retention I seem to get with DME but I could do without the cloudyness - particularly as I enjoy my ales quite fresh...can't wait for 3 months....Also using Wyeast 1968 mostly

Would be grateful for your thoughts/ findings

Muckin

[mr.c]

Ok I have just bottled 2 beers brewed at the some time under most of the same conditions (heat/time/gravity) And both are not very clear at all, not like when I have racked into a secondary.

Brew one…. Tom Caxton using Muntons Beer Kit Enhancer and using the yeast that comes with the kit.Now I have brewed this kit many times and always had a very clear beer when bottling or barreling after
I have racked into secondary after one week of fermenting, the only thing I can think of that has been different is The yeast, mostly I us Safeale S - 04 but this time I didn’t , apart from that it been the same brew as I have brewed time after time ….

Brew two …some as above.


All of my beers come out very clear (to me anyway) so I have never used beer finings

Maybe there’s some think to be said about racking into secondary...
Over the weekend I will be doing 2 brews one I will rack into secondary and one not will see how they differ

[delboy]

Ok I have just bottled 2 beers brewed at the some time under most of the same conditions (heat/time/gravity) And both are not very clear at all, not like when I have racked into a secondary.

Brew one…. Tom Caxton using Muntons Beer Kit Enhancer and using the yeast that comes with the kit.Now I have brewed this kit many times and always had a very clear beer when bottling or barreling after
I have racked into secondary after one week of fermenting, the only thing I can think of that has been different is The yeast, mostly I us Safeale S - 04 but this time I didn’t , apart from that it been the same brew as I have brewed time after time ….

Brew two …some as above.


All of my beers come out very clear (to me anyway) so I have never used beer finings

Maybe there’s some think to be said about racking into secondary...
Over the weekend I will be doing 2 brews one I will rack into secondary and one not will see how they differ

S04 is reknowed for its flocculation so i guess its not surprising that your beers fermented with it have fallen bright quickly.

[mr.c]

"S04 is reknowed for its flocculation so i guess its not surprising that your beers fermented with it have fallen bright quickly"

yes deldoy i think i will put it down to the yeast

Over the weekend I will be doing 2 brews one I will rack into secondary and one not will see how they differ this time use SO4

Its all fun and games

[delboy]

Its all fun and games

Exactly