"Clone Brews"

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coatesg

"Clone Brews"

Post by coatesg » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:06 pm

Hi guys,

For Christmas I was bought "Clone Brews" (Szamatulski & Szamatulski) by my other half (on the condition I brewed her a few selected recipes :D she likes beer almost as much as I do which is a bonus, but my request to install a beer pump in the larder was unfortunately refused :( :lol: )

Anyhow, just wondered if there were any thoughts on the recipes (just like Dave Line's recipes tend to need the grain upping and the hops reducing a bit) and which ones people have had a go at (using the extract or AG versions)?

Hoping to get AG brewing this month as soon as I can sort out the 50L SS stock pot in my garage (must go and look for a kettle this weekend!)

Cheers,

Graeme

monk

Post by monk » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:50 am

I have the book, but I've only brewed one recipe from it. It was the Fuller's ESB. Unfortunately, I screwed it up somehow (can't remember) and it wasn't good. However, I remember that through the nasty, there was a nice malt complexity. So, in other words, I think it was probly a good recipe. I should try some more. If you make anything that turns out good, post it up, would you?

monk

Grot

Post by Grot » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:34 pm

The recipes in Clone Brews and Beer Captured (their other book) are notorious on this side of the Pond for being not very true to the target beer. Some of them are good but some of them use hops that are nowhere near the intended flavor. They also like to use lots of extraneous specialty malts. Their TTL recipe is a good example of this but I don't have my book handy. I seem to recall it uses Aromatic or Special B.
I'd definitely post anything here first before diving in. Most of the recipes will make nice beer, just not necessarily what you're after.

coatesg

Post by coatesg » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:07 am

DaaB wrote:If you pick a simple recipe and post up the OG and IBUs, we can always work it out using some general alpha acid figures, iirc the ones in Wheelers books are 10 year averages so should be good for checking recipes.
As Grot said the recipes do use a variety of malts (think some of this was actually discussed here where they suggest amber and aromatic in an ESB clone). Anyhow, here's a more straightforward example (chosen partly because I live only up the road from where the original Morland brewery was):

Old Speckled Hen. Makes 18.9L (5 US Gallons :roll: )

3.5kg British 2-row pale
113g British wheat malt
340g 55L Crystal
230g cane sugar

20g Challenger 90min
14g EKG, 14g Challenger 15min
28g EKG 1min

Use Wyeast 1084 Irish Ale (or Wyeast 1028 London Ale)


Looks reasonably sensible, so may well give this one a go in the near future. There are a wide variety of recipes in the book and some interesting Belgians and nice looking lagers so I think I'll definitely be having a stab at several of these in the future - even if they aren't exactly as the originals, if they taste good then who cares!

coatesg

Post by coatesg » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:29 pm

Brilliant - thanks for that DaaB. It's maybe not quite bitter enough, but not too far off. From the hop figures they list, they assume slightly higher AA content (eg 8% for Challenger) so maybe upping it (and the grain) slightly for a currently lower than expected yield may be best :-k

I may try and do a side by side of some of the recipes with alternates and see how they turn out - but sounds reassuring.

I am guessing the wheat malt is there at about 3% to improve head retention?

mysterio

Post by mysterio » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:41 pm

Like others said, some of the ingredients are a bit funny. Pear flavouring in the Duvel recipe sticks out in my memory :?

I've tried a few recipes from it though and they turned out well (Anchor steam beer, Fullers ESB, Pilsner Urquell).

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Post by Barley Water » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:09 pm

I think that if you follow the formulation and related instructions in their books expecting the beer to come out exactly like the commercial example, you will probably be disappointed. On the other hand, if you use the formulation as a starting point and adjust things as you see fit, you might view the books as a handy resource.

If I want to make a style that I have never made before, I first read up about it so at least I know what the hell I am doing. I then go looking for formulations to get an idea how others are approching the challenge. If I find a formulation that looks good, I might brew it as is the first time. My experience with their books is that the beer generally comes out pretty tasty. After tasting my first iteration, I usually want to adjust it a little and I brew it again. I just keep doing this until I get things where I want them. The only trick here is to keep good notes so if things go well, I can do it again (by the same token, if I mess up, I document that also so I don't do the same stupid thing again). By the time I am done, I am sure the beer does not taste that much like the commercial example but what I end up with is a custom made brew taylored specifically for my preferences (which by the way is better than the commercial brew IMO).

The thing about commercial beer is that somebody has already done that (and you can usually get a hat and T-shirt commemorating their success). I say, why not "go where no man has gone before" and try to come up with something new, I think that is a lot more fun anyway. :D
Drinking:Saison (in bottles), Belgian Dubbel (in bottles), Oud Bruin (in bottles), Olde Ale (in bottles),
Abbey Triple (in bottles), Munich Helles, Best Bitter (TT Landlord clone), English IPA
Conditioning: Traditional bock bier, CAP
Fermenting: Munich Dunkel
Next up: Bitter (London Pride like), ESB
So many beers to make, so little time (and cold storage space)

subsub

Post by subsub » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:16 am

Recently brewed the Directors recipe and it was spot on. The local sells it and I can't taste the difference. Stick that in your collective pipes :D

coatesg

Post by coatesg » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:06 am

subsub wrote:Recently brewed the Directors recipe and it was spot on. Stick that in your collective pipes :D
:lol: :lol:

subsub

Post by subsub » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:36 pm

DaaB wrote:Send me a bottle of yours and a bottle of Courage Directors and i'll see if I agree :lol:
All gone now but the landlord tried it and said that he couldn't taste the difference either (you haven't got any sticking you tongue out icons yet I notice) :D

PaulC

Post by PaulC » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:56 pm

I did the OSH recipe and my friend did a blind tasting on his father-in-law asking him what beer he thought it was....he said OSH. Was I chuffed or what! :flip:

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:06 pm

I've done the Samuel Smiths Oatmeal Stout a few times and it's a great pint 8)

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