Challenger or Cascade

[Frisp]

Guys I was going to try this as my first AG, but like a tosser I picked up Challenger instead of Cascade in my HBS.
How will it go if I use challenger in this recipe instead of Cascade?

5kg MO
crystal Malt 0.3 Kg (you can up it a tad if you want something darker).


Cascade 15g at 60 mins
cascade 15g at 30 mins
cascade 15g at 1 min

[SiHoltye]

Challenger is a classic English hop. The recipe doesn't look far off Briars Best.

I love Challenger, and if you have it will unashamedly suggest:

1.045-ish
90% Pale Malt
10% Crystal
24 IBU's full boil
6 IBU's 15 mins
Aroma if you fancy
Yeast of your choice (S-04 good, Notts not so good)

It's a best bitter, pleasant malty nose backed by hops. Good full mouthfeel balanced well by hop flavour and bitterness. Pleasant long bitter farewell the judges said.

[Piscator]

1.045-ish
90% Pale Malt
10% Crystal
24 IBU's full boil
6 IBU's 15 mins
Aroma if you fancy
Yeast of your choice (S-04 good, Notts not so good)

That looks good, think I'll make one next week

I plan a pale bitter for the barrel and something darker perhaps a bit hobgoblin-ish for bottling.

Cheers
Steve

[mr bond]

Challenger makes a great single hop bitter.

More marmalade and orangey citrus than cascade.

It has N.Brewer in its parentage

http://www.freshops.com/usda_hop_desc2.html#21043

[BigEd]

Guys I was going to try this as my first AG, but like a tosser I picked up Challenger instead of Cascade in my HBS.
How will it go if I use challenger in this recipe instead of Cascade?

It will only improve the beer.

[BurtonBrewer]

Ive grown a Challenger hop this year, I think you made your mistake well! Old traditional spicey hop, I do rate Challenger, use it through and through (bittering and aroma).
Try first wort hopping them for a good hoppy ale!

Cheers Steve.

[Rookie]

I am not a cascades fan and would have said go with the challenger right off the bat.

[Stonechat]

It's interesting that the posts from the colonies rate Challenger highly. It seems to be in every other recipe in BYOBRAAH and I remember buying it by the kilo to work my way through them. However if some said you can have a 5k pack of either Cascade or Challenger. The Cascade would be the chosen one

[coatesg]

Love challenger - I have found it goes well as a bittering hop with styrians as late hops for a later brew

Hope the first AG goes well - don't be afraid of posting some pics!

[mr bond]

It's interesting that the posts from the colonies rate Challenger highly.

Perhaps it's because Challenger is a mixed breed mongrel with some Euro/Anglo genes in it that we(subconsciously) identify with it.

I to am a big fan of cascade and prefer it over the new generation , Amarillo, Nelson Sauvin...etc.....

Challenger at 60 and 30 Min to mid 30 IBU's with a big smackeral of cascades at flame out is a divine Combo.(Must do it again some time soon).

[Stonechat]

It's interesting that the posts from the colonies rate Challenger highly.

Perhaps it's because Challenger is a mixed breed mongrel with some Euro/Anglo genes in it that we(subconsciously) identify with it.

I to am a big fan of cascade and prefer it over the new generation , Amarillo, Nelson Sauvin...etc.....

Challenger at 60 and 30 Min to mid 30 IBU's with a big smackeral of cascades at flame out is a divine Combo.(Must do it again some time soon).

I thought we were all mongrels, though I guess there are always a few who think they are pure bred pedigree
I thought it had more to do with the old human trait of wanting the opposite of what you're used to, the grass is greener syndrome.
As Cascade are exotic to us, as are the rest of the US/Australian/NZ hops, whereas the Goldings, Fuggles and Challenger we are used to are the stuff of dreams for Anglophile homebrewers.

Going back to the subject of the original post, I would use the Challenger in the first AG. They will produce a great traditional tasting English style ale for your first trip to the dark side. Good Luck with it

[BigEd]

It's interesting that the posts from the colonies rate Challenger highly. It seems to be in every other recipe in BYOBRAAH and I remember buying it by the kilo to work my way through them. However if some said you can have a 5k pack of either Cascade or Challenger. The Cascade would be the chosen one

Ha! Perhaps the Colonial members like myself are here to escape the ubiquitous onslaught of Cascade and its' ilk among so many American homebrewers and for that matter craft brewers. I think its' popularity can be partly attributed to the fact that for many American homebrewers and craft brew drinkers Cascade and other C hops were what they were first exposed to and that's what they think beer should taste like. For myself, I can't stand those grapefruit and other citrus flavors in my malt beverages. Nasty stuff and after half a pint my taste buds are numb.

Challenger has been readily available to the American homebrew market, at least until the recent hop crisis, and I find it to be quite useful for bittering. I'm not keen on Challenger for stand-alone use but it seems to blend very well with the finer UK finishing hops. I've used it to bitter beers that were finished with EKG and WGV and find it a great way to stretch a smaller supply of the traditional varieties. Cheers!

[BlightyBrewer]

Challenger - the king of hops, Fuggles - the prince regent.

[tomU]

love Challenger, and if you have it will unashamedly suggest:

1.045-ish
90% Pale Malt
10% Crystal
24 IBU's full boil
6 IBU's 15 mins
Aroma if you fancy
Yeast of your choice (S-04 good, Notts not so good)

Pretty much followed this a couple of days ago. Went for 1042 SG and chucked 200g torrefied wheat into the mash. I used 10g challenger at 80c for aroma. Cheers for the recipe - looking forward to this one. Never used challenger before...

Here's it fermenting

[BarnsleyBrewer]

Bet it smells great!!