dodgy barrell issue.

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dodgy barrell issue.

Post by bodmin » Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:03 pm

hello.
today i went to pour a pint of yorkshire terrier from my barrel. at first no beer came out of the tap but there was a weird sucking noise and i could hear the beer sort of bubbling. a few seconds later beer did come throught the tap but it was totally flat.
does anyone know what the problem could be?
i'm not sure if it is a. a gas leak, b. because the barrell was kept in the fridge. or c. something completely different.
also is the beer savable?
thanks in advance.

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Post by Ditch » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:27 pm

Until someone more authoritative comes along, mate; Sounds like ye have no gas in there at all. Sounds also like ye'll now be sucking air into ye beer. Err ..... Houston ....?

Did ye put a good dob of Vaseline around the inner rim of ye connector, inside the lid?

Traditional trick now is to get some detergent laced water around the outside of ye connector and watch for bubbles, indicating a leak there.

Always a good idea to keep a spare connector / valve to hand. I have one sitting right in front of me now. Sadly, I can't get it in an e mail to ye!

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Post by Damfoose » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:29 pm

Did you prime your barrel with a sugar solution 120 grams to 200 ml boiled water let cool add to barrel then carefully add the brew bung some where warm ish for a few days then put some where cooler?
If you did then you may not have had enough viable yeast to have primed for you or the main culprit could be a gas leak did you put vasaline on the lid then tighten down ?

Yes your brew is salvageable if you have a brew shop near by nip over and get a top with a s30 valve built in and the gas bottle to fit then use that in squirt some co2 into the barrel that will help ,

Dont take any more beer from the barrel at the moment though as air will turn your beer

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Post by prolix » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:30 pm

no co2 mate, how much priming sugar did you use? 80g for a barrel is about right then store in warm for a few days to let the yeast work on the sugar then cool to condition.

you had glugging, air bubbling through beer is bad it oxidizes it and so is a no no. you need to check your barrel for leaks if the priming was right, and you will need to add some co2 via the valve at the top (if you have one) to serve it, you may be able to get a little forced carbonation that way too. If not add some more priming sugar and repeat the storage process

bodmin

Post by bodmin » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:12 pm

i did prime with about the right amount of sugar and left it somewhere warm, and, then moved it to the fridge.
so it definitely sounds like a leak.
i'll try and find the leak, re-apply vasaline and re-gas the barrel over a few days.
hmmm ...just a thought. i might even transfer the whole brew to my other barrel and re-prime and then try and suss out the problem with the first barrel.
does that sound like a good option?
thankyou all very much for the advice, it is much appreciated.
i'll crack on tomorrow and let you know how it goes.

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Post by Ditch » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:05 am

bodmin wrote: hmmm ...just a thought. I might even transfer the whole brew to my other barrel and re-prime and then try and suss out the problem with the first barrel. Does that sound like a good option?
:-k Just another 'Thought' but; I'd be wondering just how much extra " Sugar " a brew can take, before it turns into high gravity gnats piss?

Having now pointed up that question for ye, I'm sure one of the Elder Members here can answer for us both. (St. Daab would already have near as damnit 'cyber' popped round and sorted it out for ye. You missed The Era Of The Man!) But, maybe, spray malt or even glucose could be a better bet then 'Silver Spoon'? Let's wait and see ;)

bodmin

Post by bodmin » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:59 pm

good point.
i did prime originally with glucose and i have plenty left.
if i dont hear from the elders pretty soon ill just bang another 80g in when i do the barrell change.

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Post by Jim » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:18 pm

bodmin wrote:good point.
i did prime originally with glucose and i have plenty left.
if i dont hear from the elders pretty soon ill just bang another 80g in when i do the barrell change.

Sounds good to me. You won't have any problems adding another 80g of sugar - the extra alcohol produced will be negligilbe compared with the original sugar content of the wort.
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Post by Buzz » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:44 pm

If you've drawn air into the beer, I'd suggest you drink it quick. :shock:

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Post by Jim » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:33 pm

Buzz wrote:If you've drawn air into the beer, I'd suggest you drink it quick. :shock:
Hopefully if the yeast gets going again when it's reprimed it might scavenge some of the oxygen and prevent oxidation (fingers crossed).
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