AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

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AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by adm » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:02 pm

I knocked up a quick brew yesterday afternoon after finding myself at home, with no extended family or friends around....

I was going to call this beer "Fireside Ale", but discovered there's already a beer called that, so I went imaginatively for the name of the hops instead. It sounds almost Jewish now. Oi Vey!

Susan Goldings Ale

My aim here was for a Special Bitterish type beer, but a bit darker in colour than my usual. I went for a 4:5 BU/GU ratio and aimed for 50% of my IBUs from First Wort Hopping, and the other 50% from the 15 min flavour addition. This way uses more hops, but I've found it makes for smooth tasting beers. I also wanted a fairly "clean" beer so that I can use the yeast cake from this for a stronger beer (barleywine?) next week without any really strong flavour carry over.

Fermentables:
Pale Ale Malt 5.211 kg 89.6 %
Medium Crystal 0.225 kg 3.9 %
Amber Malt 0.222 kg 3.8 %
Wheat Malt 0.100 kg 1.7 %
Chocolate Malt 0.056 kg 1.0 %

The weights are a bit weird as I was going for a % based grist (92.5% pale, 4% crystal, 2.5% amber, 1% chocolate), but then ended up using an open bag of amber malt and chucking in 100g of wheat for body and head retention.

Hops
Variety Alpha Amount IBU When
Golding 4.6 % 24 g 11.1 First Wort Hopped
Susan 9.8 % 10 g 9.9 First Wort Hopped
Golding 5.5 % 40 g 10.3 15 Min From End
Susan 9.8 % 20 g 9.2 15 Min From End
Golding 4.6 % 20 g 0.0 At turn off
Susan 9.8 % 10 g 0.0 At turn off

Yeast was a 3.3l starter from Wyeast Ringwood 1187. Here's some yeast photos:
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Here's the yeast in a 2l flask after I've added 1.8l of 1040 wort, stood it on a stirplate at 20C for 2 days and then drained off the spent wort.

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Here's the same flask a day later after being topped up with 1.5l of fresh wort.

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With the wort drained off. There's quite a lot of yeast there.

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And finally, later on in the day, here's the yeast made up with a litre or so of cooled wort as a "flying starter". Its just started doing stuff!

This yeast is said to need a diacetyl rest - is that basically just a few extra days on the yeast after the end of primary fermentation?


And here's the rest of the brewday pics:
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Grain Bill

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Mashed in! I've got the Hanna thermometer back now - calibrated and with a new probe. I know it's accurate now...

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Dull picture of mash tun doing it's thang. Even with 4C garage temperatures yesterday it lost almost no temperature over the 90 minute mashed. Finished up at 65.9C.

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Hops. 80g of Goldings at 5% AA, 40g of Susan at 9.8% AA. I've never tried "Susan" before, but it smelled to me similar to Goldings or Fuggles but stronger. Kind of floral with a mild citrus undertone.

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Topped up and ready to sparge. Looked and smelled like a nice cup of Ovaltine.

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First runnings into the boiler with the hops. Tasted great - there was a surprising amount of taste from the small amount of chocolate malt.

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Coming to the end of the boil here. The chiller is in to sanitise.

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OG came out to about 1052 - which was what Beer Alchemy predicted.

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Collected 23l and aerated.

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And finally, put away to bed at a nice steady 20C. It's now got a wine kit in there to keep it company!

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by Horden Hillbilly » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:21 pm

Looks good adm, nice one! 8)

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by tomU » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:38 pm

Oish! Great pics mate, looks a good 'un

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by Gurgeh » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:30 pm

nicely done!

Looking forward to hearing what you think about susan hops

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by yashicamat » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:19 pm

Gurgeh wrote:nicely done!

Looking forward to hearing what you think about susan hops
I did a beer a few weeks ago using just these hops with pale malt, 8% wheat and US-05. Hopefully should be ready by the end of the week, but initial thoughts from sneaky tasters are it's similar to EKG but a little cleaner and spicier tasting.
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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by adm » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:37 pm

I've also got an EKG only brew that's about 10 days ahead of this one - so I'll be able to compare and contrast the EKG only vs. EKG/Susan

adm

Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by adm » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:13 am

A quick hydro check this morning has this down to 1.016 already (36 hours). This Ringwood yeast is moving right along....

Anybody know about doing a diacetyl rest with this? "A thorough diacetyl rest is recommended after primary fermentation is complete"....

Should I just leave it on the yeast for a while to clean up any diacetyl before moving to keg/secondary? If so - how long for?

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by RabMaxwell » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:06 pm

adm that looks a nice set-up & a nice brew going on there.But when did you borrow my Hanson scales i never noticed them missing :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by BarnsleyBrewer » Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:17 pm

Nice pics!!
Your garden looks huge, are you on a farm??
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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by adm » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:09 pm

Not quite on a farm, but the back of my house backs onto a farm. Which is nice :D

The front of it fronts onto a busy road though. Which isn't quite so good! :(

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by jubby » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:01 pm

gurgeh wrote
nicely done!

Looking forward to hearing what you think about susan hops
Me too; looks good. I have a brew conditioning which has loads of Susan hops (old bag) I would also be interested to hear what you think of the Ringwood yeast. I would like to try that one.
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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by adm » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:37 am

This beer has now finished up in the FV at 1012, which gives 5.3% ABV and an attenuation of 76% for the Ringwood yeast vs. the claimed 68-72%, so I'm happy with that!

It's now sitting cold in the garage waiting to be kegged tomorrow when I will probably use the yeast cake from it for a Barley Wine.

I thought there might be some problems with the Ringwood yeast as I have heard it needs a lot of rousing, however this was impeccably behaved. It chewed through the wort in three to four days at 20C, then I left it another 4 days to clean up after itself. It's flocculated well and dropped out nice and cleanly already.

All in all - I'm pretty impressed with it - I didn't even get much of the diacetyl smell which I was expecting.

Sadly. No taste test report today - I dropped the hydrometer trial jar (again).....

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by Bionicmunky » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:54 am

Adm,

Quick question - I hear people talling about reusing yeast. Are you pouring wort straight into the FV after racking or are you pouring the yeast at the bottom into another vessel cleaning the fv then reusing?

Cheers,

John

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by oblivious » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:58 am

Nice one Adm, looks like a good one :D

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Re: AG Susan Goldings Ale 28/12/08

Post by adm » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:39 am

Bionicmunky wrote:Adm,

Quick question - I hear people talling about reusing yeast. Are you pouring wort straight into the FV after racking or are you pouring the yeast at the bottom into another vessel cleaning the fv then reusing?

Cheers,

John
Well....the last time I did this, I siphoned off the first batch of beer from the FV into a keg, leaving almost no beer in the bottom, then just gave the inside of the FV a wipe around with a sanitised cloth to get rid of the trub "bath ring". After that, I poured the new cooled wort straight into the FV.

It worked really well.

I've thought about taking the yeast out of the FV and "washing" it......but on balance, I thought I'd give it a try without all the extra handling.

And I think I'll do the same thing again tomorrow.....

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