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kevthebootboy

IPA - Enough hops?

Post by kevthebootboy » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:26 am

i want to make up an IPA recipe for this sunday (6 oclock start on a sunday :shock: ) and iv just been weighing out the hops ive got,
ive got the following...

TARGET (11.3) -107 gms
NORTHEN BREWER (8.0) - 72gms
FUGGLES (4.3)- 38gms
WGV (8.3) 14GMS
SUSAN (9.8 ) 25gms
NORTH DOWN (7.6) 30gms

quesion is...if i stick all that in, will it be enough?

p.s any help with my recipe would be greatly appriciatied!

cheers lads.

aus069

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by aus069 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:18 am

I believe just the target boiled at 60 min will give you 184.4 IBU add anything else and it will be wayyyyyy over 200 IBU . In fact it will be over 300 IBU .Question at what time for bittering , flavour and aroma ? You could also do a Dogfish head brew . That is chuck all the hops into one bowl mix them up and dish out a few gms every min until the end of the boil , if it is for 90 min it will a Dogfish head 90 or a 120 min boil etc .

Cheers
aus069

boingy

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by boingy » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:30 am

Bloody hell, kev.
What size batch are you doing?

kevthebootboy

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by kevthebootboy » Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:56 pm

wooowwww easy fellas,there not all going in for th 90 minutes! im talking a gravity of around 1.060, 55 IBU ,25 lirte brew with a big hop taste and aroma,

thing is ive seen IPA recipes with upto 100gms -200gms even more going in last 15 and at flame out,

so what im saying is, have i got enough late hops ect to have a good IPA,see what im getting at?

boingy

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by boingy » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:27 pm

Phew :=P

I thought you had gone mad for a moment there....

dave-o

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by dave-o » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:48 am

kevthebootboy wrote: so what im saying is, have i got enough late hops ect to have a good IPA,see what im getting at?

People would need to know when each of those hops are going in to be able to judge that wouldn't they?

aus069

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by aus069 » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:02 pm

kevthebootboy wrote:wooowwww easy fellas,there not all going in for th 90 minutes! im talking a gravity of around 1.060, 55 IBU ,25 lirte brew with a big hop taste and aroma,

thing is ive seen IPA recipes with upto 100gms -200gms even more going in last 15 and at flame out,

so what im saying is, have i got enough late hops ect to have a good IPA,see what im getting at?

In one word Yeeesss :D

coatesg

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by coatesg » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:37 pm

kevthebootboy wrote:thing is ive seen IPA recipes with upto 100gms -200gms even more going in last 15 and at flame out,
so what im saying is, have i got enough late hops ect to have a good IPA,see what im getting at?
Yeah - but often the 100-200g of hops are fuggles or goldings at 4-5%AA (rather than Target at 11%+!). The flavour you get from the high hopping rates with those is difficult to replicate with smaller amounts of hops with higher AA%.

I'd probably use some Target, N Brewer and/or Susan for bittering, Fuggles and WGV late - maybe use the Northdown too, but there's something about the taste of Northdown that I struggle a bit with so that wouldn't be something I'd choose (butthat's entirely a personal opinion - it's generally considered to be a good flavoursome hop - I much prefer challenger myself :) )

kevthebootboy

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by kevthebootboy » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:19 pm

coatesg wrote:
kevthebootboy wrote:thing is ive seen IPA recipes with upto 100gms -200gms even more going in last 15 and at flame out,
so what im saying is, have i got enough late hops ect to have a good IPA,see what im getting at?
Yeah - but often the 100-200g of hops are fuggles or goldings at 4-5%AA (rather than Target at 11%+!). The flavour you get from the high hopping rates with those is difficult to replicate with smaller amounts of hops with higher AA%.

I'd probably use some Target, N Brewer and/or Susan for bittering, Fuggles and WGV late - maybe use the Northdown too, but there's something about the taste of Northdown that I struggle a bit with so that wouldn't be something I'd choose (butthat's entirely a personal opinion - it's generally considered to be a good flavoursome hop - I much prefer challenger myself :) )

Excelent advice coateag, thanks for that!
it was just the kind of advice i was lookig for, i should have posted the question abit better, been abit rushed for time of late, ive just sat down to write the recipe now, so baring that in mind ill get some wrote down,

thanks again.

kevthebootboy

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by kevthebootboy » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:42 pm

made a start..

5500 pale malt
250 crystal
500 brewing suger

90 min boil

Target 53 gms - 55 IBU

last 15 min
northen brewer 50 gms
Target 12 gms
susan 25gms

80'c steep
fuggles 38gms
WGV 14 gms
northdown 20 gms

nottingham yeast

may need tweeking slightly....

quiff

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by quiff » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:24 pm

Maybe a silly question but why get up so earrly on a sunday to do a brew?
I'm picking all my AG gear up tomorrow and have AG#1 earmarked for next saturday. How long does the whole process take?

kevthebootboy

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by kevthebootboy » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:21 pm

quiff wrote:Maybe a silly question but why get up so earrly on a sunday to do a brew?
I'm picking all my AG gear up tomorrow and have AG#1 earmarked for next saturday. How long does the whole process take?
Well...i usualy brew on a saturday but i have a job on the side, so im working saturdays at the moment, i like to get an early start so im all done for about half past 11, then i have the rest of he day for...well whatever really, plus the missus likes a lie in at the weekends so i get the place to my self for a while.

the process can take about 5-6 hours +, all depending on your system/ equitment ect.

take as must time as needed with your first, dont rush and enjoy, youll never look back after you start all grain brewing,

all the best for next saturday!
kev

haz66

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by haz66 » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:10 am

coatesg wrote:
kevthebootboy wrote:maybe use the Northdown too, but there's something about the taste of Northdown that I struggle a bit with so that wouldn't be something I'd choose (butthat's entirely a personal opinion - it's generally considered to be a good flavoursome hop - I much prefer challenger myself :) )
To me Challenger and Northdown are nowhere near each other, Challenger is a nice Hop Northdown is harsh.

If i had those hops i`d go Northdown for bittering and then just bung the rest in at steep , apart from the Target

kevthebootboy

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by kevthebootboy » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:01 pm

Brillient, thanks for that chris, your a star, ill have a switch around, swap around, ditch the target at 15 mins and get rid of the northdown out of the steep,
recalculate the IBU's and rewrite the recipe...

watch this space :mrgreen:

kevthebootboy

Re: IPA - Enough hops?

Post by kevthebootboy » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:31 pm

Right...i dont know how to calculate the 15 minute hops IBU's but i gather if utilisation is 23% at 90 mins at 1060 wort, then 15 mins would be about 4% utilisation, so with that would give me,northen brewer 50g - 6 IBU susan 25g - 4 IBU...so 10 UBS + 45 IBU from the target at 90 mins

the 55 im after..so

5500 pale malt
250 cyrstal
500 brewing suger

66'c mash 90 mins

90 mins
target 43 gms - 45 IBU

last 15 min
northen brewer 50 gms
susan 25 gms - 10 IBU
steep
fuggles 38gms
WGV 14gms

snottingham yeast.

thanks again for the advice, looks like this might just turn out nice! top bombin'
Last edited by kevthebootboy on Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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