St Austell's Tribute

[chris_reboot]

not sure what you mean dave?
pj is all marris otter.

[Deebee]

not sure what you mean dave?
pj is all marris otter.

Thats what is says on thebottle... But according to what i have read here on the forums this makes a way too light brew.
Suggestion was that it would be more likely cornwall golden or whatever its called and that this can be achieved by adding 5% munich.

For me it is a much easier thing with a single malt brew either way....

Interesting how people get different ideas....


Oh well, i'll change the recipe i have to just MO then:) thanks:)

[chrisr]

Proper Job: yes, I have a copy of an interview with Roger Ryman wherein he says PJ is all 100% Marris Otter. 'Course, he may not be revealing the entire truth!

Hops: Chinook, Willamette and Cascade.

Admiral's is 100% Cornish Gold, I believe.

[befuggled]

I have now had five goes at PJ, the times I have tried a bit of crystal, a bit of wheat or whatever have not been right, but Marris Otter PM only has got reasonably close (i.e. to the point that a few testers can not tell which is which in a blind test including bottles of PJ). Colour is spot on.
The last attempt, which is not really ready yet, had very large additions of Cascade at 80C to get the aroma which knocks your head off when you open a bottle of the "proper stuff".

[chris_reboot]

care to share befuggled?

admirals is nice btw, supping it now, but tad disappointed with HSD

[befuggled]

I have been rabbiting on in the Proper Job thread for a while.
When I get a good comparison going in a few weeks I will bring it up to date.
I will be comparing a bottle of my first attempt, a mini keg of my second, a corny of the 4th, a corny of the 5th and a proper bottle.
Number three was nowhere near due to the crystal.
I have also done HSD twice, the second will be racked from primary over the weekend.
Most will be going into a pressure barrel for a mate, but I will keep a few bottles for quality assurance and comparison purposes

[micmacmoc]

I've been off St Austell Ales for some time so I thought I'd better give them another go. They have certainly improved. The HSD is still characterless, dull and in dire need of refreshing. The Tribute is much better than I can ever remember it, Proper Job is lovely. Their IPA is tasteless fizzy pop. Annoyingly the pub I usually meet up with locals at (a st.Austell house) serves only HSD (Hicks Sudden Death!) oh and 'Tinners' fizzy pop beer, they keep no bottled St Austell so I'm usually reduced to Greene King Pale Ale on top of a half of HSD and long to get home to pop open one of my own.
St Austell pubs seem to have upped their game, better kept beer is the result. Its a shame that those offering small variety on pump don't carry bottled St Austell.
Anyway, so convinced am I that I think I might have a try at Tribute or Proper Job. Their clouded yellow is also very good, hmmmmm.

[micmacmoc]

Yup....willamette are on order, provisionally booked in to brew next Monday.
I would never have thought I'd bother with st.austell....but things have improved so much there. Is this the case at larger regional independents elsewhere? I wondered if it was the pressure of new microbreweries.

[Deebee]

I have now had five goes at PJ, the times I have tried a bit of crystal, a bit of wheat or whatever have not been right, but Marris Otter PM only has got reasonably close (i.e. to the point that a few testers can not tell which is which in a blind test including bottles of PJ). Colour is spot on.
The last attempt, which is not really ready yet, had very large additions of Cascade at 80C to get the aroma which knocks your head off when you open a bottle of the "proper stuff".

And how much is a very large addition of cascades\ at 80C??

[chrisr]

micmacmoc

I’m a big fan of StA and their beers, in fact, it’s why I started home-brewing: so I could drink Tribute here in Derbyshire. I’ll get to that position one day, hopefully.

I’m surprised you don’t know the story, as you’re in Cornwall. You’re right, their reputation was dreadful – St Awful. In essence, the turnaround started when the current MD (James Staughton) took control. He must have realised where the decline/stagnation of the company was going to end and decided it wasn’t going to happen on his watch. It must have been a struggle, but he’s gradually transformed the whole company. The development of most interest to us here was the new head brewer, Roger Ryman. It was he who developed what is now Tribute. I remember drinking this when it was Daylight Robbery (at the time of the eclipse) and was blown away by it – I’d never had anything like it before. It is still my No 1 favourite beer.

Proper Job, Admiral’s, Clouded Yellow and Smuggler's are all his, I believe. I think he resurrected HSD too, from an old recipe. And I disagree with your assessment of it; it is a very good drink, it’s just very different to the others. Drink it after something else and you really get the bonfire toffee, caramel, butterscotch and stout-like flavours.

[befuggled]

Deebee - 105gms in 27L collected

[weiht]

I would recommend not to steep too much styrians at flame off. I did 40g of styrian flower hops in the tribute, as well as 30g in my TTL clone and it still taste too lemony to me. Its supposed to be a nice lingering taste of the citrus, but its sticking out a tad too much, altho it did mellow off with some aging.

But i'm using new zealand styrian flowers, as i made an error when ordering. But they r great, just too strong a lemon taste, so i may just add about 20 - 25g next round.

[micmacmoc]

chrisr!

Thats it then, I have to go to the Fountain Inn on the way home, research is necessary and I do want to be proved wrong! I think its the style I don't like. I recently made a 40 pint batch of Sarah Hughes and I don't like that either! I'm darn well gonna drink it though. My tastes seem to be changing by the month as I try different brews out. I used to drink the sweeter stuff like the flavoured Badger Ales etc, hated the really bitter IPAs....now thats all I seem to want. Currently I'm going mad for anything with cascade and will be doing some willamette brews with them after my attempt at the Tribute recipe that the folks on here have been so kind to share.
So roll on 5pm cos 'I'm doing important beer research.

[critch]

st austell are a good brewery imo there a staple of pubs in merseyside. tribute sells well when i get it ,but that propper job was great when we could get casks of it

[cosy101]

hi all. wow a lot of interest in Tribute. Before i read the pages you have ll created, and thankyou for that, could i ask if any one can provide the recipe for Tribute or as close as all you good people have been able to get to it. All your hard work must surely lead to a simple recipe............. hmm dont shout. Cheers everyone.