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JammyBStard

60 or 90

Post by JammyBStard » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:45 am

I'm sure this has been asked before; but why boil 90min insted of 60min?
Obviosly you can concentrate the sugars further; but does it make any other difference?
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Re: 60 or 90

Post by trucker5774 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:48 am

You're right...............debated many times. 60 is enough, 90 will give slightly more hop utilisation and more evaporation. I do 75!
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leedsbrew

Re: 60 or 90

Post by leedsbrew » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:48 am

I find I get a better cold break with a 90 min boil. I think it's personal preferences and what suits your set up really though! :D


LB

dave-o

Re: 60 or 90

Post by dave-o » Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:07 pm

I have had problems with cloudiness on 60 minute boils.

steve_flack

Re: 60 or 90

Post by steve_flack » Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:23 pm

I haven't so that's why I stick to 60 :lol:

Jerry Cornelius

Re: 60 or 90

Post by Jerry Cornelius » Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:39 pm

steve_flack wrote:I haven't so that's why I stick to 60 :lol:
I've never tried 60; what's the vigour of your boil like? If I were to try 60 min, would you recommend a full, vigorous boil for 60 min, or turn it down once the rolling boil is achieved? I have two 2.4 kW elements on my kettle.

boingy

Re: 60 or 90

Post by boingy » Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:43 pm

I've always done 90, just out of habit, but I am planning to try a couple of brews at 60 to see if there is any difference.

Trucker, I love the 75. Kinda the Lib Dem solution ( :twisted: )

raiderman

Re: 60 or 90

Post by raiderman » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:12 pm

I boil for 60m and I get no problems with cloudiness. I see no point in extending the boil time

In terms of vigour everything I have ever read suggests a vigorous boil and the tea urn I use certainly delivers that, but previous equipment has varied between a gentle boil and one thermostat I had gave 30 sec of boil followed by a period of doing nothing until tripping and boiling again. In theory they should have been less good, because neither were anywhere near vigorous but the beers produced were just as good.

Jerry Cornelius

Re: 60 or 90

Post by Jerry Cornelius » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:33 pm

For those that boil for 60 min and still get good clarity, how long do you mash for? I have to say that when I brew I set aside a whole day and shortening that day by an hour, mashing/boiling for 60 min each doesn't really gain me anything - I've got all day with nothing else to do - except perhaps get down the pub a little earlier... On the other hand if there's little point, perhaps it's worth a go.

dave-o

Re: 60 or 90

Post by dave-o » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:44 pm

boingy wrote: Trucker, I love the 75. Kinda the Lib Dem solution ( :twisted: )

Wouldn't that be saying you're going to do a 30 minute brew and then actually doing a 90 min?

Fallen

Re: 60 or 90

Post by Fallen » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:52 pm

I've tried both and haven't noticed any difference in the final product.

gnorwebthgimi

Re: 60 or 90

Post by gnorwebthgimi » Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:15 pm

I do 60 minutes both mash and boil for standard beers.

Never had any DMS issues, always had enough (or too much) hop alpha acid conversion.

Get clear beer every time with whirlfloc.

booldawg

Re: 60 or 90

Post by booldawg » Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:12 pm

I've recently changed from 90 min to 60 min for both mash and boil.

The biggest difference is the boil. I'm looking to extract most my IBUs from 30 mins on. Bit spendy on the hops but you really notice individual charachter rather than a generic 'bitterness' that I used to get. Much fresher on the hops front.

Having said that I do chuck in hops at 60 mins, but in a 45 IBU brew I'm only looking for about 15-20 of the IBUs at that stage.

Spud395

Re: 60 or 90

Post by Spud395 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:57 pm

60/60 for me, recently visisted my favourite micro and these guys are doing a 90 mash and 60 boil

steve_flack

Re: 60 or 90

Post by steve_flack » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:20 pm

Jerry Cornelius wrote:
steve_flack wrote:I haven't so that's why I stick to 60 :lol:
I've never tried 60; what's the vigour of your boil like? If I were to try 60 min, would you recommend a full, vigorous boil for 60 min, or turn it down once the rolling boil is achieved? I have two 2.4 kW elements on my kettle.
I boil 44L litres and use a kettle with 2x3kW elements. I only use one for the boil. It's not a raging boil but more than a simmer. I lose about 10% per hour in evaporation which is about the amount to aim for.

I also mash for 60 minutes. As I brew in the evening, an hour saved is an hour earlier in bed.

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