Easy Yeast Top Cropping

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Wolfy

Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by Wolfy » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:05 am

Pictures of the Burton Union and more recent Firestone Union in the 'Yeast' book made me think how easy it would be to use something similar at home to top-crop active yeast.

Burton Union
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Firestone Union (note the collection buckets in the background)
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And what I'll call "PC Union" (Plastic Cap Union):
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Due to fridge-geometry I've started to use plastic jerry cans for fermentors, rather than the typical plastic pails or barrels, they are easy to use, but it does make it a harder to see what is going on or to interact with or top crop the yeast.

By drilling a hole in the jerry-cap (slightly smaller than the plastic tubing) and then forcing the plastic tube into the hole it makes an air-tight seal.
The other end of the blow-off tube was put into a 2L glass bottle with 1L of cooled boiled water (with a cling-wrap collar to keep out any bugs).
Filling the 25L jerry with about 23L of wort seems to be the ideal target for the active yeast - at high krasuen - to be forced up the blow-off and to be collected in the bottle.

3 days into fermentation (a Bank's Mild from BYOBRA, hence the dark wort colour) and after high krasuen, the blow-off was removed (and replaced with cling-wrap) and the collection bottle chilled in the fridge over night:
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The result is an ideal amount of clean freshly harvested ready to re-pitch or wash-and-store yeast, all with little or no effort and with very minimal risk to sanitation or any related issues.

The same could easily be done with a bucket or barrel fermentor by using a blow-off tube suitable size for the hole in the lid, and then sealing the lid well to prevent any escape of gas, yeast or wort.
Too much head-space means the yeast would not be forced out of the fermentor and too little head-space would most likely make much more of a mess.

When I posted this on the AHB website, I was reminded that for those who use better bottles or glass USA-style fermentors collecting the yeast this way is ever easier. Someone also provided this link a BYO mag Build a Burton Union System: Projects which returns the wort to the fermentor in a true 'union' setup.

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by EccentricDyslexic » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:40 am

Nice one, i brew 19l to fill cornies and use plastic youngs type fermenting buckets, i imagine it is possible to do the same using a blow off tube but id have to increase my brew length somewhat! Also what if your collected wort doesnt reach the required level in the FV? I suppose you could squeze the sides of it to bring the level up though. I like this idea because you are not always around when high kerausen is reached ready to skim off the good stuff. Im not keen on my FVs so am consideing allternatives. Can you get 19l ish better bottles?

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by Hogarth » Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:24 am

Nice work, Wolfy! I love this sort of thing.

Am I right in thinking that you should ideally discard the first lot of yeast, and harvest the next? Or doesn't it matter with your system?

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by Kev888 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:28 am

Inspired! I tried top cropping with a ladle a few times but have had mixed results - sometimes i get a decent amount but others the froth turns out to contain very little yeast - guess i'm mis-timing it, which this system would avoid.

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by Wolfy » Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:18 pm

Hogarth wrote:Am I right in thinking that you should ideally discard the first lot of yeast, and harvest the next? Or doesn't it matter with your system?
What you see in the picture above is the only yeast that is harvested, after the initial high krasuen there is no more yeast crawling out into the collection container.
Any break, protein or other unwanted-material that escapes the fermentor should be minimal and so I'd just keep and reuse the yeast like it is.
Kev888 wrote:Inspired! I tried top cropping with a ladle a few times but have had mixed results - sometimes i get a decent amount but others the froth turns out to contain very little yeast - guess i'm mis-timing it, which this system would avoid.
It does all the work and gets the timing right for you, the other beer in the fermenting fridge just now, was past that very active high krasuen stage within 24 hours, so if I was going to manually top-crop it I'd have missed the best chance.

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by gnutz2 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:54 am

I allways assumed (i've never done any yet) when top cropping you took a top layer of beer from the fermenter, now i understand from the OP you just take the krausen, am i correct?

How far above the wort did you position the tube?

Cheers Baz.

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by Wolfy » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:42 am

The usual way to top-crop at home, is to open the fermentor (easy when you use a bucked or barrel type fermentor) use a sanitized stainless steel spoon (or similar) to skim off and discard the top gunky-brown layer, and then harvest the clean yeast layer that should be floating ontop of the fermenting beer. So you'd just be taking the yeast/krasuen and not any of the beer.

The tube is only just pressed inside the lid (by a cm or so), and so relies on all of the head-space (of which there is not that much - as you can see in the picture) being filled so the yeast/krasuen is forced out into the collection bottle.

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by Spud395 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:23 am

I'll give this a go, thanks for the easy to follow guide Wolfy.
I've a better bottler which is really to small for primery, so this should work a treat!

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by gnutz2 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:59 pm

Just given this a try tonight using a youngs 5 gal round fermenter with a syphon tube pushed through a plastic cork in the lid sitting about 10mm off the wort.

Fingers crossed.

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by Oakey22 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:00 pm

Drive past that top picture most days, never knew what it was for, lol

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by jmc » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:43 pm

Good Idea Wolfy

Another advantage may be to fit a larger FV in the fridge as I wouldn't need the headroom I currently do for a fermentation lock.

Following Charlie Papazian's book I tried the blow-off tube approach last year when I used a carboy and it did result in very clear beer.
I never thought to use the yeast that had been 'cropped' :oops:

Only down-side was the blow-off tube was a bugger to clean when filled with yeast and krausen.
Any ideas how to clean this tube?

Unfortunately I don't think I could fit my glass carboy in my fermenting fridge so I'd need to re-jig the set up.
All possible though. :)
ATB John

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by Wolfy » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:10 am

jmc wrote:Only down-side was the blow-off tube was a bugger to clean when filled with yeast and krausen.
Any ideas how to clean this tube?
I clean everything by soaking in sodium percarbonate and hot water (24h), there was still some crud in the blow off tube but it was easily rinsed out with a blast of tap water.

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by smdjoachim » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:10 pm

Burton Union in action from a visit i did last year at Marston's

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Re: Easy Yeast Top Cropping

Post by EccentricDyslexic » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:43 pm

About to try top cropping for the first time, so am revisiting this thread.

I also like this one-

http://karlisbeer.blogspot.com/2010/03/ ... arboy.html

The way they do it you dont need to worry about the amount of head space. I will try this out shortly!

Steve

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