Fettling false bottoms :D

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Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by beermonsta » Sun May 08, 2011 8:56 pm

so following on from a lazy day in the sun we had a another lazy day in the sun (and dodging the occasional shower).
Dom and I began on Saturday evening where we cut our teeth of making the first bottom. Things went well, and we learnt a few things that would make today even easier such as placing the metal one way round made it easier to spin.
First up was cutting the perforated stainless steel sheet into a square just bigger than required...
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and as you can see we nailed the centre point of the false bottom which acted as a point to rotate the metal around. A piece of string was then attached to the centre nail and measured the exact radius that was required. This was the diameter minus about 7mm clearance for the beer line seal divided into two. The metal was rotated whilst the pen was held at the string at the exact length...
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you can also see that the corners of the square where cut off to make rotating the metal easier (less chance of catching part of your body).

Next up was angle grinding to size along the marked line. Here I held the angle grinder rigidly and controlled the depth of cut without letting the angle grinder move in our out, whilst Dom rotated the metal. He found that the angle grinder wanted to pull the metal around so had to hold it back and let it advance at the correct speed - too fast and it wouldn't cut fully through. The depth of cut is important as we were using stainless steel 0.8mm cutting disks. Too deep and the back of the disk catches on the bit that has been recently cut and can cause the disk to shatter.
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Keeping a small (1-3cm) of extra steel around the disk meant that the whole thing could be cut out in one go. Previously we found that cutting in from the edge resulted in the off-cut pieces dangling and catching on the bench when rotating - which meant cutting it off every now and then.
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After this we re-marked the radius with a permanent pen to see it there where any areas that drifted from the original line. Most of the time it was spot on but occasionally went further out by up to 2-3mm. For this we used a belt sander to reduce these areas to bring the metal into a perfect disk shape and also tidy up some of the metal burrs left from angle grinding. A final tickle with a file removed any remaining burrs.

Next Dom added some string to enable lifting out of the mash tun and we fitted a temporary split beer line to check fit.
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Then we measured and marked out the holes for the stainless handles and drilled them to 4mm to accept the handle screws...
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and the end result is four false bottoms...
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One for Dom's new 80l thermopot, One for Skiptonians new 60l thermopot, one for my new (upgrade from 50l) 80l thermopot and one for Tron (who made a visit today and brought his 80l thermopot to check fit - nice to meet you by the way :beer: by the way just trying your ale - very citrussy, much like a more palatable brewdog punk IPA).
One (to be made) is also reserved for 196osh - I'll PM you for dimensions)

That means we have enough 316 (marine grade) 2mm holes, 40% open space (better than most as it will aid wort drainage), 1.5 mm thick (chunky stuff :lol: ) to make another 3 false bottoms. So for £60 we can make one as seen above which will come with stainless handle and screws to support the false bottom off the bottom of the mash tun, and split beer line to create a seal around the edge (pick up from Liverpool/Rossendale/Skipton is free!, delivery would cost extra) We can make any size and can customise to requirements (subject to additional costs - PM me to discuss).
ONLY 3 will can be made so PM me quick if you are serious :D

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by Steve1262 » Mon May 09, 2011 8:15 pm

Great job, doing the same myself but I'm going to try one inch tall bobbins of acrylic rod to lift my false bottom of the pot base, held in place with stainless self tappers through some of the holes.
One question I have is how are you finding slicing the beer line down it's length, I haven't given that a go yet but what is the best thing for cutting it, is just a sharp model knife enough as I imagine it to be quite a hard pipe.
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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by beermonsta » Mon May 09, 2011 9:20 pm

I'll let you know when I get round to doing it! :lol: The method I was going to use is using a very sharp knife but face it so that the blade is pointing into the tubing and pushing it down the length of the tube, rather than cutting it by slicing/drawing it. I don't think it will be a problem compared to grinding stainless steel!

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by beermonsta » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:52 pm

so small update. Managed to finish 4 false bottoms, Doms, mine, Skiptonians and runwellsteves. Replaced the screws that were holding the handles on with M4 (316 marine grade) stainless button screws and washers. Used M2, A2 stainless button head screws as legs to provide drainage space. To cut the beer tube to create the seal a piece of tube was cut to size and then wedged in a gap between the wooden slats on the outside picnick table. The knife blade was held still whilst the tubing was pulled through to keep the cut as straight as possbile.

here is some images of the final product (Trons)
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want one?! PM me quick only enough material left to make 2 more :D

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by GrowlingDogBeer » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:17 pm

Ooooh, I'm getting all excited now.

Another new toy for the brewery. :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by Steve1262 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:34 pm

Ooooh, I'm getting all excited now.
Yes so am I . . . . beermonsta can you confirm that I am singing from the same sheet?

You've knocked 7 mm off the diameter to give you 3.5mm off the radius?

My dad always said "measure twice cut once"

Regards Steve. :=P
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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by floydmeddler » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:01 pm

A thing of beauty boys. Nice work.

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by Tron » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:46 pm

It is indeed, mine fits a treat.

Cheers beermonsta!

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by beermonsta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:56 pm

glad to hear that tron!
Steve1262 - that sounds right but let me go and check with my tape measure just to make sure - I'll edit and update once I've checked for you.

Runwell-Steve and 196osh I made a start today on yours. Here is them rough cut to size ready for when Dom gets his bum round here to help do the precise measuring and cutting - I wish I had 4 hands!
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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by kebabman » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:08 pm

Nice work!
Where did you get the handles from please?

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by beermonsta » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:35 am

oooh, that'd be our specialist stainless steel handle supplier....clicky :lol:

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by kebabman » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:45 pm

Many thanks for the link, a bit of a bargain as they look nice.

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by beermonsta » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:09 pm

and the final installment...
Today was the last build day for three of our members on the forum. Things went very smoothly, Dom and I are getting good at this now! The fit on these last ones are nothing but perfect so we're well chuffed.
Anyway here are some photos,

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Ok, we cut the 50l thermopot last night and it only needed a fettle with the belt sander to get it to fit. You can see it temporarily fitted with the beer line to check fit on the bench next to the pot. Meanwhile you can see Dom filing the holes I drilled out to 4mm to accept the stainless button head screws where the stainless handle will go. Dom had a genius idea of using a piece of paper below the central hole with the hole distances marked on it. This meant he only needed to rotate the metal to find two holes that lined up perfectly.

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Here we are again accurately marking out the rough cut piece of perforated s/s.

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Here is Roscoe's false bottom fitting my 80l thermospot perfectly :D

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Here is 196osh's false bottom for use as a hop filter. Again a perfect fit in my 70l pot :D

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and here is Runwell-Steve's false bottom fitting my old 50l thermopot perfectly :D

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Here is the tedious bit - fitting the button head stainless screws, washers and nuts - the triangle piece of paper was a guide template to ensure they are evenly spaced to spread the weight of the hops/grain evenly. Also we cut the beerline and added that too.

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these things are small and fiddly!

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And here are the three false bottoms finished 8)

If you look closely the bottom right one is 196osh's and it has slightly smaller leg screws, 12mm (by request) and the keen eyed amongst you will notice one missing - this is for a hole to allow a pick up pipe through. Remember its to be used as a hop filter in a 70l pot, so will need a pick up tube to take the wort to the side mounted tap.

Right - all I need to do now is find some corrugated cardboard for packaging, gets some postage addresses (get paid ;) ) and get them delivered.

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by GrowlingDogBeer » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:23 pm

They look fantastic.

I am so grateful to you both for spending precious beer making time building shiny kit for me.

Can't wait to give it a test brew.

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Re: Fettling false bottoms :D

Post by beermonsta » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:40 pm

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and so she goes to her final home

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