Can Water Treatment be this straightforward??

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jimp2003

Can Water Treatment be this straightforward??

Post by jimp2003 » Tue May 10, 2011 9:28 pm

Hi guys!

Despite promising myself that I was not going to worry about water treatment until I had done at least 10 AG brews I just could not help looking into this area further.

I have read a lot of the threads on this and it seems there is a lot of different appraoches - What a surprise!! :lol:

I stumbled across some advice on the Brupaks website

It says (sorry for the length of the post):

Before you can start to treat your water you should first contact your water supply company and request the total alkalinity of your water in p.p.m. Unfortunately this is not as clear cut as it should be. Water authorities usually express alkalinity as HCO3 (hydrogen carbonate) whereas the brewing industry uses the traditional CaC03 (calcium carbonate). To use the tables below you will need to know the alkalinity expressed as CaC03. As you will probably have only the HC03 value, you can convert it to CaC03 simply by dividing this figure by 1.22. From this figure it is possible to determine the required amounts of CRS and DLS to be added for all styles of beer. An average Bitter or Pale Ale requires the water to have a total alkalinity of 30-50 p.p.m. and a calcium content of 180-220 p.p.m. If the total alkalinity of your water is below 50 p.p.m. you will not need to use CRS but will most probably need to increase the calcium with DLS.

Example: You are brewing a Bitter and the total alkalinity of your water as CaC03 is 195 p.p.m. In order to bring it within the target range of 30-50 p.p.m. you will need to reduce the alkalinity by 145-165 p.p.m. From the following table you can calculate the amount of CRS to be added. N.B. All brewing liquor should be treated with CRS, not just that used for mashing.

CRS in millilitres per litre

CRS 0.35 0.52 0.70 0.87 1.05 1.22 1.40 1.57 1.75
Alkalinity -64 -96 -128 -160 -192 -224 -256 -288 -320


The table shows that to reduce the alkalinity by 160 p.p.m. CRS should be added at a rate of 0.87ml per litre. Thus for a standard 25 litre brew, which will probably require 30 litres of liquor, 30 x 0.87 = 26mls of CRS should be added. After adding CRS, several minutes standing time should be allowed to release the carbon dioxide produced by the neutralisation of the excess acid.

Now that the carbonate level has been adjusted, you now have to correct the calcium content. Fortunately a close approximation of the amount of calcium present can be obtained by a simple piece of arithmetic:

Original alkalinity in ppm x 0.4 = Calcium in ppm

In the above example you have an original alkalinity of 195 p.p.m. Using the above formula the calcium content can be calculated as follows: 195 x 0.4 = 78 p.p.m.

A typical Bitter requires a calcium content of 180-220 p.p.m. As you already have 78 p.p.m. you will need an extra 102-142 p.p.m. The quantity of DLS required can be ascertained from the table below.

DLS in grams per litre

DLS 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9 1.0 1.1
Calcium 16 31 47 63 94 109 125 141 156 172 188


The table shows that in order to increase the calcium content by 125 p.p.m you will need to add 0.7 grams of DLS per litre.

When making a full mash brew, DLS should be added in two stages:

Stage 1. Weigh sufficient DLS to treat your mashing liquor (e.g. 10 litres x 0.7 = 7 grams). Mix DLS into the dry grains. This is most important as adding it to raw liquor will not affect the mash pH.

Stage 2. Weigh sufficient DLS to treat the balance of the total brewing liquor (e.g. 20 litres x 0.7 = 14 grams). Add to the wort at the commencement of the boil.

Extract brewers should add the total amount of DLS to the wort at the commencement of the boil.

From the above information you should be able to treat almost any water to brew first class Bitters and Pale Ales. Other styles of beer, however, require different levels of carbonate and calcium. These are the recommended alkalinity and calcium levels for the most common beer styles.

Bitter and Pale Ale. Alkalinity as CaC03 - up to 50 p.p.m. Calcium - 180 to 220 p.p.m.

Mild Ale. Alkalinity as CaC03 - 100 to 150 p.p.m. Calcium - 90 to 110 p.p.m.

Porter and Stout. Alkalinity as CaC03 - 100 to 150 p.p.m. Calcium - 100 to 120 p.p.m.

Pale Lager. Alkalinity as CaC03 - up to 30 p.p.m. Calcium - 100 to 120 p.p.m.


Is the above advice too simplistic or has anyone had success following it?

According to Wessex Water my tap water is described as very hard with Calcium Carbonate at 311mg/l but I think I might resort to testing my water before each brew in case this changes. Can anyone recommend which testing kit to use? - one of the salifert ones?

As usual thanks for any advice you can give.

Jim

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Re: Can Water Treatment be this straightforward??

Post by jubby » Wed May 11, 2011 8:04 pm

Take a look at 'water treatment' by clicking on the 'Brewing Knowledge Base' at the top of the page.

This is my opinion on water treatment:
1. Keep it simple, there really is no need to complicate it. Remember to treat ALL of the water used in the brewing process.
2. The simple and effective way to treat your water is in GW's book pages 44 & 45. You don't need to know anything about you're water and this method covers the most important parts which is lowering of alkalinity and ensuring enough calcium. This method will produce excellent beer and I would consider any further water treatment fine tuning to suit a particular style.
3. I would not recommend DLS as it's a mix of unknown quantities and ratio's of Calcium Chloride, Gypsum, Epsom and salt. I consider this stuff as a bit of a stab in the dark, If you want to add these minerals I think it best to obtain your water quality details from your supplier and use the water treatment calculator in the 'hints and tips' section above. If you want to do this, ask them for Alkalinity, Chloride, Magnesium, Calcium, Sulphate.
4. You can use a Sailfert kit to measure you're alkalinity if you're water company won't give it.
5. An alternative to method 2. above is to treat with CRS, but you need to measure you're alkalinity and then calculate the amount of CRS as follows:

Decide on how much alkalinity (residual) you want left in you're liquore to suit the type of beer.
Bitter and Pale Ale. Alkalinity as CaC03 - up to 50 p.p.m. Calcium - 180 to 220 p.p.m.

Mild Ale. Alkalinity as CaC03 - 100 to 150 p.p.m. Calcium - 90 to 110 p.p.m.

Porter and Stout. Alkalinity as CaC03 - 100 to 150 p.p.m. Calcium - 100 to 120 p.p.m.

Pale Lager. Alkalinity as CaC03 - up to 30 p.p.m. Calcium - 100 to 120 p.p.m.
These figures for residual alkalinity that you quoted are fairly accurate.

CRS required = Total Alkalinity - Residual Alkalinity. Divide this by 180 and it will give the amount of CRS required to treat 1 litre. In addition, add a decent teaspoon (4g) of Gypsum (Calcium Sulphate) to the mash and boil. This will ensure that there is enough calcium. It's difficult to over do the calcium, so it's unlikely that you will be adding too much.

Hope that helps.
Mr Nick's Brewhouse.

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jimp2003

Re: Can Water Treatment be this straightforward??

Post by jimp2003 » Wed May 11, 2011 8:26 pm

Thanks for that detailed reply Jubby!

I always forget about the knowledge base :oops: I have GW's book so I will also check that out.

Keeping it simple is what I am after so I will take your advice on board ready for my next brew.

As I BIAB it will be a straightworward process as all the water is in the kettle at the start.

Thanks again.

Jim

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