A fly! Is it ruined?

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A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by MattK » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:48 am

Morning all,
I just took a sample (with a wine pipette) from my FV to check the gravity, and what did I find floating in the trial jar but a bloody fruit fly. :shock: Haven't a clue how it got in (if it even did) as the FV is sealed and airlocked. How screwed am I? Does one fruit fly equalacetobacter infection? It smells (and tastes) fine at the moment. Is there anything I can do to mitigate the risk? It's at 1.014 at the moment and slowing down:
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Edit: I should add that it may have been there a while, as I'd taken most of the previous samples from the tap, but as today's was starting to get a bit heavy with yeast I decided to take one from the top where it was a bit clearer. I took a good look at the surface just now and there's no sign of any more.

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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by Bobba » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:52 am

Nice graph :D
It'll be fine! no sweat ;) If it's under airlocked, the fruitfly prob just jumped into the trial glass. And even then, you've got a bit of alcohol (and lower pH) going on in there now, which should take care of most things

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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by boingy » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:58 am

Chances are it will be fine.
There is certainly no action you can take at this point to mitigate the risk so just be patient and see how it turns out.

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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by MattK » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:00 am

Thank Google Docs for the graph. What can I say: I'm a massive geek who likes his graphs!

Thanks for the reassurance. :) The fly did seem less waterlogged than I would've expected. In general, can acetobacter even work in a sealed FV? Isn't it an aerobic bacterium?

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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by MattK » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:01 am

I've been terrified of acetobacter since losing my last brew.

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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by gregorach » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:07 am

Yeah, if it got into the fermentor, you've quite likely got an acetobacter infection... Takes a while to show though. The alcohol and low pH wont' help - those are exactly the conditions acetobacter likes (in fact it will lower the pH a lot further by metabolising the alcohol to produce acetic acid), which is why it's a beer spoilage organism in the first place. Anaerobic conditions will slow it down a lot, but probably won't eliminate it completely.

However, as Bobba says, there is a good chance that it just got into the trial jar and not the fermentor, so don't panic yet.
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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by Bobba » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:22 am

gregorach wrote:Takes a while to show though.
Only one solution then - drink it quick just to make sure

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Conditioning: AG34 Randy's Three Nipple Tripel 9.2%, AG39 APA for a mate's wedding
On bottle: AG32 Homegrown Northdown ESB, AG33 Homegrown Cascade Best
On tap: -
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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by MattK » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:36 am

An anxious couple of days for me I think :?

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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by gregorach » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:48 am

This is exactly why I moved to a closed fermentor with an airlock... ;)

The most likely explanation by far is that the fly just got into the trial jar. The chances of one managing to sneak into a closed fermentor are remote, as are the chances of you unknowingly catching a single fly in the fermentor with a pipette (they float, so you'd have to drop the pipette right over it). The chances of both happening together are astronomical.
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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by MattK » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:12 pm

That is a very good point. I didn't think of the odds of it fitting into the ~5mm pipette hole! I just got another airlock for my 2nd (currently empty) FV too. It was that one, which previously had a hole for an immersion heater, that went bad before. They're now both sealed and airlocked.

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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by trucker5774 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:02 pm

Never heard of fly sparging? :wall
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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by MattK » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:17 pm

trucker5774 wrote:Never heard of fly sparging? :wall
Hehe. That's exactly why I was unable to search to see if anyone had asked this question before! Dozen of pages on fly sparging.

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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by Dennis King » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:25 pm

What a way to die

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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by pas8280 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:27 pm

Don't know wether its an urban myth or not but there is a story that back in the 70's Boddingtons brewery employed a bloke to start work before everyone else skimming the rats out of the open fermenters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if it is true the a single fly shouldn't be anything to worry about.
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Re: A fly! Is it ruined?

Post by gregorach » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:36 pm

I'm pretty sure that's not true, and I can tell you from personal experience that a single fly definitely is something to worry about - I've lost a batch that way before. All that cleaning and disinfection ain't for nothing, believe me. ;)
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