Am I doing this right?

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MightyMouth

Am I doing this right?

Post by MightyMouth » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:36 pm

Hey all,

Ok so I have decided to try getting my water corrected with something other than 5.2 and so have downloaded my water report from Severn Trent.
I have plugged in the values I can find on the report into GW's Liquor Treatment Calculator as so:

CO3 Reduction Method=Boiling (couldn't get rid of all the warnings using CRS which would be easier but I don't know what to do about the warnings)
Hardness 214.7 as CaCO3
Calcium 85.97
Sodium 20.25
Carbonate 128.73
Sulphate 75.92
Chloride 32.31

Which made the Ion Balance Check come out 5.17/6.78 so because magnesium is not listed in my reports I guessed that it is 19.5 which makes it balanced at 6.78.

As my main concern is more getting the liquor into a general fit state rather than fitting a particular profile I just chose General Purpose for now. So in the warnings box I get "Your target carbonate is too low. Click the CO3 button on the right to correct it" and so click it which then gives the warning "Your target mg is too low. Click the Mg/ Na button on the right to correct it" so I click that. Now I have no warnings :)

My Final Liquor looks like:

Calcium 103.3
Magnesium 19.5
Sodium 20.3
Carbonate 19.9
Sulphate 214.6
Chloride 89

And I get Salt Additions Required as:


Salt Additions Required Volume to be Treated: 60 Litres
CRS Required: 0 ml/l Total CRS: 0 ml
Calcium Sulphate (as gypsum): 248.55 mg/l Total Calcium Sulphate: 14.91 grams
Calcium Chloride (dihydrate): 117.38 mg/l Total Calcium Chloride: 7.04 grams
Magnesium Sulphate (Epsom salts): 0 mg/l Total Magnesium Sulphate: 0 grams
Sodium Chloride (common salt): 0.13 mg/l Total Sodium Chloride: 0.01 grams
Calcium Carbonate (as chalk): 0 mg/l Total Calcium Carbonate: 0 grams
Sodium Carbonate (soda crystals): 0 mg/l Total Sodium Carbonate: 0 grams
Sodium Sulphate (Glauber's salt): 0 mg/l Total Sodium Sulphate: 0 grams
Magnesium Carbonate (anhydrous): 0 mg/l Total Magnesium Carbonate: 0 grams

Does this all look correct?
What are the chances the report is anywhere near my actual water and if not is treating my water in this way likely to make my water worse?
What would the effect of treating my water with Campden Tablets be on the above or can I stop using them if I do the above?
Am I likely to improve my beers by doing this? What else can I do to treat my water?
Is there any real reason to add the .01 grams of salt?

Suggestions please

MightyMouth

Re: Am I doing this right?

Post by MightyMouth » Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:42 pm

Ok It was late and I had a few beers so I wasn't really thinking straight last night, if I had been I would have looked more thoroughly for my answer myself. After doing a bit more reading I have come to the conclusion that I need to measure the alkalinity of my water using either the Salifert Test or Methyl Orange and CRS. I am thinking the Salfert test looks easier as far as seeing the colour change whereas the Methyl Orange looks quite difficult to see the colour change but looks to be cheaper. At around £14 for the Salfert which is good for about 100 brews, so 14p per brew, is nothing in the scheme of things but for some reason I am drawn to the Methyl Orange.

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Re: Am I doing this right?

Post by MightyMouth » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:59 pm

Ok I am talking to myself here but after reading some more I reckon I only need to boil the water for a bit then just add some Gypsum. Seems the easiest and most foolproof method to me.

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Re: Am I doing this right?

Post by simple one » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:11 pm

I can't really help you. And I think there is probably a lot of people are not able to answer your questions confidently because you boil, rather than using CRS.
But this may be of interest to you:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42896&p=451488#p451488

MightyMouth

Re: Am I doing this right?

Post by MightyMouth » Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:12 pm

simple one wrote:And I think there is probably a lot of people are not able to answer your questions confidently because you boil.
I don't do anything at the minute but I am considering boiling because I think without knowing exactly what your alkalinity is then how can you use CRS?
simple one wrote: But this may be of interest to you:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42896&p=451488#p451488
Yea, I read that one which is one of the reasons I am thinking it is the better way to go. GW hasn't steered me wrong yet so it seems the way to go at least at first. If it give me better clarity and efficiency then that will be great.

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Re: Am I doing this right?

Post by simple one » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:56 pm

Well the the sums look right. And yes, I wouldn't add the salt (NaCl) either.
Can it make your water worse? No, I am pretty sure it can't.

Certain Salifert kits designed for pools/ponds/aquariums will give you the alkalinity of your water if you want to go that way. Or do what I do and locate a brewer close to you who is supplied by the same water source.

Either method, keep tabs on the final beer pH, pre boil pH and mash pH, to monitor whether it's going out of kilter.

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