GOOSE ISLAND IPA

[welshguzzler]

Hi all, im looking for a AG recipe ( near as) for this lovely drop, if anybody has then id be happy to try it. thanking you.

[Capn Ahab]

The goose island website says its og is 1.059, 55 IBU's, and is 100% MO with centenn, cascade, fuggles and styrian g for the hops. Doesn't say anything about yeast, but my guess would be something British and not too fruity like wlp007 or so4.

I plan to use centennial for bittering and the rest for flavour/aroma. I'm also thinking about using a small amount of biscuit and possibly carapils or caramalt. Need to try it again first before I decide.

[BitterTed]

From GI brewing logs from 2007:
OG-15.5(1.063)
FG-4.9(1.019)
IBU-58
Color-10
Hops- Styrian Golding, Cascade, Fuggle, Centenial
From their notes: "A strongly hopped beer but balanced by a generous amount of malt. Citrus and pine aromas should predominate the nose, while a caramel malt character provides the primary flavor." Evidently they have reduced the OG since 2007.

[lancsSteve]

Good article to help you at http://www.insidebeer.com/articles/20091222_1

Previous thread on this recipe: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=23949&hilit=goose+island

[Capn Ahab]

Nice one Steve.

One thing puzzles me about this beer:

'This is American-style IPA in its prime. The concept of strong, hoppy pale ales that were once shipped to India has been hijacked (in the best possible way) by the US craft brewing industry and pumped full of American bravado.'

Ok. Buuuuut, the Goose Island website calls it a British IPA and the BJCP STyle Guidelines list it as an example of a British IPA too. Shurely shome mishtake?

[lancsSteve]

Cascade and centennial are hardly 'traditional British IPA' though it uses Britis ops rather than all american C hops so I guess it's more British than many..

Goose Island will want to market it as exotic (yes this country is exotic to some! Just add distance...) and the BJCP guides to British IPAs leave a LOT to be desired!

I'd call it American IPA straght up but like the fact they don't just ram it full of chinook. Goose Island are the best IMHO (well 'were' the future is dark since INBev takeover and head brewer's retirement) and have a nuanced understanding of international styles tempered by some marketing intelligence too that sometimes strethces the credulity of their claims...

[Capn Ahab]

Cascade and centennial are hardly 'traditional British IPA' though it uses Britis ops rather than all american C hops so I guess it's more British than many..

Goose Island will want to market it as exotic (yes this country is exotic to some! Just add distance...) and the BJCP guides to British IPAs leave a LOT to be desired!

I'd call it American IPA straght up but like the fact they don't just ram it full of chinook. Goose Island are the best IMHO (well 'were' the future is dark since INBev takeover and head brewer's retirement) and have a nuanced understanding of international styles tempered by some marketing intelligence too that sometimes strethces the credulity of their claims...

+1

[aceuass]

12.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 92.31 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 7.69 %
1.00 oz Styrian Goldings [3.80 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 23.1 IBU
1.00 oz Styrian Goldings [3.80 %] (30 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
0.75 oz Cascade [7.20 %] (30 min) Hops 14.8 IBU
1.00 oz Fuggles [4.30 %] (15 min) Hops 6.9 IBU
1.00 oz Fuggles [4.30 %] (10 min) Hops 5.0 IBU
1.00 oz Cascade [7.20 %] (5 min) Hops 5.1 IBU
1.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
2 Pkgs Safale (DCL Yeast #S-04) Yeast-Ale
This was very close
Cheers
Paul

[Barley Water]

I would have to agree with a previous poster, I would call this beer an American IPA. In my opinion, as soon as you start adding "C" hops to any beer, that piney, grapefruit flavor and aroma is almost impossible to miss. American Pale Ale, American Amber Ale, American IPA, American Brown Ale (once called Texas Brown Ale) and the new and evolving Casadian Ale all have that character. What we did is shamlessly stole British styles and bastardized them using ingredients indiginous to the United States. Even if the malt profile and yeast flavor are distinctly British, once you add the "C" hops they just overpower everything else. If I run across a beer while juding a contest that has that character, it better be entered in one of the American categories above or it's going to lose points. I am noticing on these forums however that you guys are starting to use alot of American hops so I suppose the distinction is starting to get blurred. You are also correct in that we see British stuff as slightly exotic (expecially those wierd hand pumps, one day I'll get one for myself) just as I suppose you guys see some of our beers as exotic. I really wish there were bars over here that served real ale from the cask but at least in Dallas that's pretty hard to find. Anyhow, in my opinion that is what makes this hobby so interesting, so many great styles and I just love almost all of them.

[BitterTed]

I really wish there were bars over here that served real ale from the cask but at least in Dallas that's pretty hard to find.

This should help locate some real ale for you BW, it looks like a couple places in Dallas have cask ale:
http://www.cask-ale.co.uk/us/cask-beer- ... erica.html

[lancsSteve]

If I run across a beer while juding a contest that has that character, it better be entered in one of the American categories above or it's going to lose points. I am noticing on these forums however that you guys are starting to use alot of American hops so I suppose the distinction is starting to get blurred.

Ah you need to come over here! It's always an interesting question - do hops or nations make 'beer styles'? British and American ales share some similarities and I guess the c hops can often mask enlgish ale yeast's contribution. What about belgian beers doene with C hops though - would houblon chouffe Tirppel IPA and La Rulles Trippel get 'marked down' as 'not belgian style' while actually being Belgian trippels?

In the UK unfortunately thanks to the influence of CAMRA if it's on draught it's often seen as just a "British Real Ale" so subtle use of C hops can really create something a little fresh and new. If you follow critch's posts you;ll see how much breweries likeLiverpool Organic use New Zealand and US hops, while my local brewery use a blenmd of UK and German Perle in their blonde.

One of the problems I see with such categorisation is that it can fossilise or narrow descriptions which can then lead to limiting creativity (trying to copy an archetype about which you have wrote-learned the characteristics) rather than encouraging it.

You are also correct in that we see British stuff as slightly exotic (expecially those wierd hand pumps, one day I'll get one for myself) just as I suppose you guys see some of our beers as exotic. I really wish there were bars over here that served real ale from the cask but at least in Dallas that's pretty hard to find.

I was lucky in New York and then Vermont a couple of years ago - handpulls in both places, though one of them was blocked by hops (hop filters in casks seemed to have been forgotten) - great beers but lacking the subtlty and balance a handpull makes you expect (if you're a Brit).