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Post by Fish'n'Chips » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:24 pm

Ditch wrote:Doesn't matter too much, mate. If ye had the temp' up, like I do, it'll be long since ready to go. A ten day ferment is just a sort of industry standard. It's a fail safe. My gear ferments a damn site faster. Equally, I sometimes leave it in the FV for much longer, if I get too wrapped up to be messing about with washing BK's out, or something.

I've got four FV's sat there right now. God knows when I put them in. But, I'm such a lazy bastard and so preoccupied with other things, I'm actually drinking the fifth one straight out of the FV.

I've simply stuck a syphon tube with a little tap on it in there. Want a pint? I just whip the end of the tube out. Turn the tap and get one. Then I poke the end back under the lid. Another corner cut ~ no need to wash a keg! Easy Life! :mrgreen:
lol happy days.Think I'll try a pint the mara then and every few days after that :mrgreen:

Do you brew at 21°C? I have an aquarium heater (German of course :wink: ) in there and it's approx 21-22°C.

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Post by Ditch » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:36 pm

snap9 wrote: Are you really retirement age then , ken.
Well, I'm retired ..... :|

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Post by Ditch » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:53 pm

Fish'n'Chips wrote: Do you brew at 21°C? I have an aquarium heater (German of course :wink: ) in there and it's approx 21-22°C.
Yes, mate. When I pour the first pint, having transferred from a heated FV to a BK, then poured a pint straight out of the keg, no time for it to lose temperature? Frankly? I'd rather it was a couple of degrees cooler. I guess I like to taste my stuff about body temperature ~ what ever that is? ~ or a bit lower.

I don't like cold beer. Cold kills flavour, to my pallet. But, nor do I like " warm " beer. As in dipping ones hand into a small pond on a boiling hot summers day, warm. I don't like to 'Taste' warm on my tongue ~ and I can get that when I drink it straight from the 21 C environment.

Maybe then a 'Perfect' pint could be made by fermenting at 19, and then drinking it at that? Dunno. I'm just not fussy enough to faff about taking so many temperature readings and recording it all either. Take me a few years too. Sod that!

In fact; I'm pretty sure that I've probably just about said it all, on this thread, already. If someone wants to apply for a Phd in " Ditch's Stout ", just about all I've ever learned about it Must be back there, somewhere? Only, I seem to remember saying something about how this cottage maintains a pretty constant 'X' degrees, in the hottest of Summers. 19? What ever.

And, I do believe my best ever brews have been made, in Summer, without supplementary heating. Guzzled at ambient / room temperature.

The fish tank heaters / 21 C have just evolved as an answer to my wanting beer quick. Hand on heart though? Now ye've drawn my attention (back) to it. And now that I get Five FV's on at a time? I wonder if I could maybe throttle back to 19 C and still get enough beer, soon enough ~ yet Better?

Food for thought .....

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Post by Fish'n'Chips » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:09 am

Ditch wrote: I don't like cold beer. Cold kills flavour, to my pallet. But, nor do I like " warm " beer.
I'm with ya on that one Ditch 8) I like it room temp or just a wee bit cooler.

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Post by LeeH » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:11 pm

I guess I can miss out the sugar if I'm force carbing in a corni keg? :)

I think I dropped a clanger with my Wherry kit last month and added the sugar as per instructions #-o

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Post by Ditch » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:42 pm

LeeH wrote:I guess I can miss out the sugar if I'm force carbing in a corni keg? :)
I originally made this stuff without any sugar. Thus I see no reason why ye shouldn't drop the sugar, if ye want to. Not sure about " Force Carbonating " it though. But, that's beyond my experience. Just don't tell people ye serving them " Ditch's Stout ".

Doesn't sound like it'll bear much relation to what I've just poured myself; Beautifully, smoothly 'flat'. But, it could be a couple of degrees warmer though. There's absolutely f**king gorgeous in there, trying to get out. But the coldness is stopping it.

Wherry? Clanger ye dropped there was buying the kit.

Must say; I'm more than a little curious about ye avatar ..... Ever read Dale Carnegie?

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Post by Steve_B » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:28 pm

Leeh
I use corni's all the time and in my opinion best just to seal corni with 30 or so psi, release the pressure and serve with just enough pressure to get the nectar to your tap :D , unless that is you like fizzy stout.. Ugh :cry:

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Post by LeeH » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:23 pm

I've got a beer gas mix Steve so I'm going to try 30psi to seal the lid then 6psi with co2 for a week or so then serve with 75/25 nitrogen co2 after another 2 weeks so it's not so Green.

I'll report back when it's ready to go.

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Post by Ditch » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:55 pm

A new trick for an old Dog ..... Two things, actually. One is that I made my customary five FV's. One, of course, without a heater, because I only own four heaters.

That's always the one I get amongst last, because I leave it to do its thing in that relatively freezing cold room out there. So, the one I kegged tonight has probably sat there a month. I was a bit bloody nervous too. Because I picked up my next load of kits yesterday evening. Had to really set too and get some work done this evening. Only two rinsed out FV's to my name. Rest had to be completely washed up. One, of course, after I'd syphoned the beer out of it! Bloody long session for Ditch then! :shock:

Anyway, I'm nervous because if, for any reason, this last FV's managed to go tits up on me? I'm beer shopping for five days. And I'm f**king skint! Sucked the syphon. Liquid jetted into my mouth. And I'm like, " Eh?! " I swallowed it and didn't want to throw up. Thus I decided ~ all this in a split second, of course ~ that this should be drinkable. But, hell, was it Different!

I poured a pint glass off and settled down to try and taste it properly. Freezing f**king cold was one thing. But, beneath that ....? It wasn't unpleasant. It was just totally 'new'!

As sheer good luck would have it, Dean O' happened to be out in my cow shed. I let him fetch a portable forge there and he helps himself to some peaceful work. Hammering away without invoking the wrath of the prick who's moved in next door to him. Dean was in at the start, with my stuff. We've stood together tasting just about every example of " Ditch's Stout " I've ever produced. I gave him the glass.

He was adamant that Coffee was hitting him in the face. I suggested a Roastiness and he vehemently agreed. But, there was a Lot more to this one than just strong, roasted coffee tones. It was Weird! Dean was trying to explain a sort of sizzle on his tongue. I had Bottled in mind. There was also definitely something going on at the back of the mouth .....

Then, I mentioned how I was relieved it wasn't vinegar. Dean O' listens to this. Takes another taste. Considers. And says; " It's not far off though. " :shock: Insulting bastard!!! If he wasn't plenty young enough to be my son. With veined and bulging f**king biceps in arms as thick as my legs? I'd have slapped the c***! But, then he'd have just ripped me to pieces with his bare hands. So I took it on the chin :roll:

I'd poured me another pint of the stuff. Noting what a merry head it had on it. But, having got up later than hell and being determined to get some non alcoholic liquid down my neck, I left it standing while I got the next five together. All the while guzzling tea.

I drunk it a short while ago. It's got nothing to do with vinegar. As I worked though, having tasted it, I was toying with calling it " Ditch's Loovni ". (That's a private joke that only a Gypsy would understand :wink: Because, after Dean O's outrageous comment, we agreed to settle for my own suggestion that it was " A little tart " Image God! I'm witty as a f**king hand cart!)

Most strange brew though. Seriously never produced anything like it before. And this, remember, is simply the result of doing what I do. Only in a freezing cold room and with no fish tank heater.

Now the next bit: I've brought the keg in here! :shock: Stove's lit, at night. Room's full of (Dogs) bodies. No way does it ever get half as cold, in here, as it does out there where I ferment and store this stuff. So, in due course, this weird tasting stuff will get closer to ambient temperature.

Get the freezing chill off it and it should reveal its true colours. I wonder what they'll be ....? :|

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Post by Titch » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:25 pm

just done my first stout, based loosely on this guide
i used a heritage stout as it is what i have and a dark malt extract can
no sugar for my first

and here i what i was greated with 24 hours or so later

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looking good ;)

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Post by poo hed » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:03 am

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Post by gxprice » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:02 pm

have now bottled my Ditch's stout (yes, I know, it should be in a keg but I did follow the recipe otherwise!) and it's been conditioning / resting for about 3 weeks....

I've tried a couple of bottles and it's really a great drink - very impressed with the results so thanks Ditch for the original recipe =D>

The only thing I'd like to improve (too late for this batch I think, perhaps another ...) is the head / head retention. I primed with 80g's of sugar (bulk prime in the keg and bottling immediately from there) and although there is CO2, there isn't a really big 'pop' when opening the bottle like with previous brews nor does the head last any longer than if I was pouring a coke. In fact, the head only appears if I pour directly to the bottom of the glass from a few inches up, if I pour down the side of the glass, no foam, looks just like black water!

I'm going to leave the bottles a while longer to see if it improves but wondered whether the conditioning temperature is the issue? My cellar temp went down several weeks ago (just prior to bottling) to about 14 degrees (it's blo0dy freezing here in Geneva) so perhaps the beer needs a higher temp to generate the additional CO2? Or - have a just not added enough sugar to this batch? I have the option of moving the bottles to the living area of the house where it's consistantly 19-20 degrees if anyone thinks this will help... Just need someone elses resounding logic to help with convincing the significant other on the beer relocation :lol:

Any advice welcome :)

Best,

Gary.

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Post by crafty john » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:01 pm

looks just like black water! What about that then Ditch, he's calling your stout Black Water :shock: :lol: Sorry mate couldn't resist :D

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Post by Ditch » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:05 pm

Ditch wrote: Get the freezing chill off it and it should reveal its true colours. I wonder what they'll be ....? :|
That, for the record, turned out to be f**king Superb!!! :mrgreen: From here on in, my BK's live in here, with me, the Dogs and the warm! Image

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Post by Ditch » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:14 pm

crafty john wrote: What about that then Ditch, he's calling your stout Black Water :shock: :lol:
John; I've got muvva f*kkas coming in here Bottling my sh!t, then assuming they're experiencing anything like what I'm talking about. I've even got f**kers using entirely different f**king base kits! (How long before some idiot makes a lager and calls it " Light Ditch's Stout "? Or " Ditch's Piss "?)

Now, as I take a sip from the strongly flavoured, dark as coke, headless glass before me ..... Who am I to complain if someone points out that their own slant on my stuff is indeed as headless as My stuff? " Black Water "? Yeah. That's a fair description. Visually. Only, I don't make my gear to look at. I just don't care, on that level :wink:

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