First IPA for AG#06 - Cascade & Fuggles?

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Hi guys,

I'm ready for AG #06 and fancy something hoppy, how does this sound?
I only have high attenuation Nottingham yeast in stock, hense the crystal and high mash temp.
I have a few other hops I could use up to, would you switch anything around:
20g bobek (4.38%), 20g challenger (7.12%), 45g EKG (7.05%), 40g Saaz (3.10%)
Am I right in thinking a Burton Pale water treatment?

Recipe: Cascade IPA
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 36.58 l
Post Boil Volume: 29.30 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 25.00 l
Bottling Volume: 23.60 l
Estimated OG: 1.038 SG
Estimated Color: 17.4 EBC
Estimated IBU: 50.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 73.3 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4.00 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 1 86.0 %
0.50 kg Crystal Malt (130.0 EBC) Grain 2 10.8 %
0.15 kg Wheat Malt, Bel (3.9 EBC) Grain 3 3.2 %
1.0 pkg Nottingham - adjusted (Danstar #-) [23.6 Yeast 7 -
100.00 g Fuggles [3.68 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 4 38.7 IBUs
40.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 5 11.3 IBUs
40.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 6 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 8 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: BIAB, Full Body
Total Grain Weight: 4.65 kg
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Saccharification Add 39.42 l of water at 71.6 C 68.9 C 60 min
Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 7 min 75.6 C 10 min

[Deebee]

Personally i think i would substitute the fuggles for the challenger. chally is much higher Alpha meaning it will need less hop.
100grams of hops is going to suck up around a litre of wort.

in addition you will not get any real IBu from the 0minute hops and certainly nothing from the dry hop.

by using the challenger for the same amount of ibu you could drop the boil time to 60. it works fine and means you have less boil off, also means you have less water to treat and heat. i have never boiled for 90 minutes and never had a problem with the brews either.
Anotther not is that i tink the IBU is way too high for a gravity of 1038.

its not really a true ipa with 1038 either , so i think in order to maintain the hopping schedule as you have it ( but changing the fuggles for te chally) i would up the OG to at least 1050.

But thats only my opinion
:9

Let us know how it turns out:)

[Barley Water]

Oh I agree with Deebe, I would jack up the O.G. to roughly the 1.060+ range. If you opt to go with the lower starting gravity then I would back off on the hops because your ratio of IBU/gravity points is pretty high even for an IPA. I also agree that using high alpha hops, especially for bittering, makes alot of sense otherwise you end up with an quite a bit of vegital material in your boiler. Because you are using Cascades, I am going to make the assumption that you are going for an American IPA (if you want a British IPA then I would recommend using British hops). What we do on this side of the pond is back down on the malty, it's all about making a "hop delivery vehicle". My favorite formulation for American IPA is almost 100% 2 row pale malt with about 6 ounces of brown malt thrown in for interest. This produces a pretty dry beer and then you just hop the hell out of it. See if you can find a bottle of Dogfish Head 60 floating around over there and see what you think (I bet you love it).

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Thanks for the replys chaps. I've revised it a little, more based on what I have in, rather than aiming for a style, the notts really takes the FG down, last time to around 1006, so I'm hoping the following does the job without being OTT, although I do kinda like OTT At least with Hops, I'm just not that keen on +5% beer, I prefer to have a few a night
Just weighed all the grain n hops, about to mash in so any changes will have to be done quickly

Recipe: Cascade IPA
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 34.16 l
Post Boil Volume: 29.31 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 25.00 l
Bottling Volume: 23.60 l
Estimated OG: 1.048 SG
Estimated Color: 20.1 EBC
Estimated IBU: 47.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 84.5 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4.50 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 1 87.9 %
0.50 kg Crystal Malt (130.0 EBC) Grain 2 9.8 %
0.10 kg Wheat Malt, Bel (3.9 EBC) Grain 3 2.0 %
1.0 pkg Nottingham - adjusted (Danstar #-) [23.6 Yeast 10 -
40.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 10.3 IBUs
30.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
10.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 7.1 IBUs
0.02 kg Chocolate Malt (886.5 EBC) Grain 4 0.4 %
60.00 g Fuggles [3.68 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 19.8 IBUs
40.00 g Fuggles [3.68 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 7 10.1 IBUs


Mash Schedule: BIAB, Full Body
Total Grain Weight: 5.12 kg
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Saccharification Add 37.29 l of water at 72.0 C 68.9 C 60 min
Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 7 min 75.6 C 10 min

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right mashing in, any changes will have to be hop removals, man those cascades smell awesome!

[floydmeddler]

Much better! I'd DEFS change the 10 min Cascade addition to 0 min along with the others. You won't regret it...

[floydmeddler]

I'd also swap the 60 min Cascade addition with some of the Fuggles and add them at 0 mins too. Go on... You know you want to...

[orlando]

I brewed an all Cascade earlier in the year the most important thing for aroma was dry hopping. I would move much more to this part of the brew this made the difference. I didn't know quite why the late hops didn't really work until I watched this You Tube video from BeerSmith, it all fell into plac and I now no longer waste hops in the boil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qD17ZeTSsE

[floydmeddler]

I'll watch that later. I only ever steep and dry hop for both aroma and flavour. My 5 min and 10 min additions are pretty much long gone.

[Barley Water]

Well I would say that what you really have there is an American Pale Ale, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that. By the way, how much aroma you trap with late hop additions depends alot on how fast you can cool your wort down after shutdown. The longer the wort stays hot, the less hop aroma you are going to get because many of the volitile aroma compounds are lost along with the steam. A bad ass chiller system will actually help you out flavor wise (and it's absolutely essential if you want to mess with lager beer). I frequently pump ice water through my counter flow chiller for this very reason (plus, Texas is hot as hell in the summer). It is also I good idea to know what type of water you have as of course harder water can make the hops come off as harsh. In my particular case, I am dealing with moderately hard water so I like to use low cohumolone hops as they impart a more smooth bitterness in my opinion.

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Thanks chaps, about to mash out now the nippers in bed

floyd I love your style, but your going to have to help me out a bit

0min - means steeping after the IC's run to take it to 80c and leaving it there for 20mins right?

right take a look at this, I'll be back once I have the wort coming to boil, cheers again for the help guys

Amt Name Type # %/IBU

60.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 7 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Fuggles [3.68 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 8 0.0 IBUs

80.00 g Fuggles [3.68 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 26.3 IBUs
20.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 14.1 IBUs

20.00 g Cascade [7.90 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 10 0.0 IBUs

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mashout done and bringing to boil any suggestions?

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...and boiling, right going to chuck in as above, wish me luck

[floydmeddler]

That's what I meant man. She'll be a BEAUT!

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nice to hear floyd, just finished steeping and the IC's back on bringing it down
touch wood another trouble free brew-day, [crosses fingers and toes for the hop filter Gods]
btw that honey orange beer is turning out nice, although I think i'm going off bobek...