25L jerrycans to mature/clear and stockpile?

[ChuckE]

Cheers Chuck. I sent a message to the seller to confirm that no gurgling means NO air passing through the beer. We'll wait and see.

With regards to cleaning, have you considered steam sanitising? I use this method these days and highly recommend it. I've measured the temp inside the fermenter as it's steaming and it reaches 100c.

I've never heard or seen this before. Hmm, (googling) those steam cleaners are cheap enough, $25 (£16). I might need to try it. Thanks.

[floydmeddler]

OK...just bought this. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320930810117? ... 1497.l2649

Time will tell!

[floydmeddler]

The tap outlet spout is split into two it seems. One semi circled hole allows air to enter and the other semi circled hole allows beer to exit. I want to attach tubing to this outlet which will connect to a beer engine. The problem I'm anticipating is that that if I attach tubing to it as it is, it will be impossible for air to enter. So here's what I'm thinking.

Does this look sensible?

[The Dribbler]

So, if you open the tap (which you have drilled a hole in above the pipe).

Whats to stop the beer pissing out of the hole you've just drilled?

If you could connect (or pass tru) a tube into the air space above the beer maybees it would'nt pour out.

or have an external tube higher than your beer level

[floydmeddler]

So, if you open the tap (which you have drilled a hole in above the pipe).

Whats to stop the beer pissing out of the hole you've just drilled?

I don't think beer comes down that side. The outlet is actually split into 2 semi circles. You can see clearly here:



Or am I still missing something?

[The Dribbler]

Have a look at this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DRUM-TAP-61-m ... 3a76abc7bb






Again this type of tap to fit the jerrycan cube has a air intake. But it has a tube on the back, maybe it's easier to attach a pipe extension with a float. So it sits above the beer?

[The Dribbler]

So, if you open the tap (which you have drilled a hole in above the pipe).

Whats to stop the beer pissing out of the hole you've just drilled?

I don't think beer comes down that side. The outlet is actually split into 2 semi circles. You can see clearly here:



Or am I still missing something?

Well, I'm guess the the tap is designed so that when it is open, air prefers to drawn in thru the smaller section and liquid to come out of the other at full flow, to stop air gurgling. But since both sections are under the liquid level - it will probably come out where it can.

[Fil]

if you look at the 25l cap tap variant from go outdoors it comes with a 1/2" threaded and capped air in inlet opposite side to the cap on top, sealed when you buy it so it can be opened/used if wanted.,
my mate uses em to treat water for his fish tanks, beer is a much more sensible use for em
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[JammyBStard]

This threads been an eye opener. I'd never thought of storing green wort before. (have I had my head in the sand?) If its possible to do it safely it makes a lot of sense.
Trying to time with each other; brew-days, empty fv's, clean Cornies and a healthy re-pitch of yeast has always been a bit of a nightmare for me. This could really smooth out the process and make it a lot more flexible.
Are there any down-sides to this no chill thing?

[Cazamodo]

Just thought I'd share what i stumbled upon while looking for grain storage containers. these look pretty cheap, if the postage wasnt too high!

http://www.dvfuels.co.uk/product.asp?pid=4

[The Dribbler]

Just thought I'd share what i stumbled upon while looking for grain storage containers. these look pretty cheap, if the postage wasnt too high!

http://www.dvfuels.co.uk/product.asp?pid=4

They are cheap 25L cubes for sure. But they have also been used, and no mention of what was in em.

I'd hate to think they had some nasty cack in them before being washed.

Personally I'd prefer a new one, or guaranteed ex food.

[ChuckE]

Are there any down-sides to this no chill thing?

Yes, there are a couple of caveats to keep in mind.

Hop-centered beers (IPA, Bitter) with multiple hop additions don't do as well when no-chilled. Because the beer is racked at near boiling temps and allowed to cool on its own, SOME hop isomerisation continues. The process muddles sharp hop flavors and aromas. This isn't an issue for most beers, but when I brew an IPA, a bitter or a big APA, I use the IC. Some no-chill brewers say they've corrected this problem by shifting the timing of hop additions. When I use the same hop schedule the hop flavors and aromas still come out muddled.

Also, because the wort is packed when hot, DMS needs to be considered. For most brews, 60 min. boil, 2-row malt, it's not an issue. But if the brew uses pilsner malts, the boil time needs to be 90 mins. for no-chill.

edit to add;
one more thing- new cubes need to be conditioned prior to being used so the first beer doesn't taste of plastic. To condition, put a couple liters of hot water in the cube, slosh it around well and dump. Repeat. Repeat with cool water. If it's warm and sunny you can use the outside (cheap bastard, doesn't want to pay to heat water) method. Fill halfway with water and sit in the sun until the water is hot. Slosh and dump. Repeat. Rinse with cool water.

[Cazamodo]

Just thought I'd share what i stumbled upon while looking for grain storage containers. these look pretty cheap, if the postage wasnt too high!

http://www.dvfuels.co.uk/product.asp?pid=4

They are cheap 25L cubes for sure. But they have also been used, and no mention of what was in em.

I'd hate to think they had some nasty cack in them before being washed.

Personally I'd prefer a new one, or guaranteed ex food.

I did drop them an email for that exact reason, from the name I was worried they may of been used for fuel! However when enquiring about the grain storage bins (im assuming it may follow for the jerrycans to, ill ask again) they said 90% of the stuff marked as food safe has been used on ex-foodstuffs so as long as you request one that food safe and let them know it will be used to store wort/grain they should be able to help.

[darkonnis]

Yeah they do say on the website that if you specify what you want it for they will find one thats been used for a similar purpose in the past

[Manx Guy]

It should be mentioned the tube coming out of the top is linked to CO2 via an improvised cask breather. Thus beer can last for some time without going off.

BTW, in the pic above, the container just to the left is filled with apple wine. I ferment and let is sit a few months, then rack it into a cube with a faucet and the link to the cask breather.

Intersting...

Would that improvised cask breather be a low pressure LPG regulator by any chance?

I've heard of this modification on US HB forums but not managed to find out how it is done...

Any detaisl would be great TY

Guy