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Post by mysterio » Fri May 04, 2007 4:31 pm

Just having a sample of this at the moment, delicious! Full-bodied with all the rich malty flavours without being sweet.

Like Rab pointed out this is based on Wheeler's Caley 80/- recipe. I added a smattering of chocolate malt because the Caledonian website mentions they use roasted malt, and even the description at the top of Wheeler's recipe says 'Full malt in the mouth, deep, dry hop finish with chocolate malt'. I also used only Goldings (instead of a combination of Fuggles & Goldings for bittering) and the Edinburgh ale yeast which has worked very well - although I can never tell if that faint smoke aroma is coming from the amber malt or the yeast. I also upped the mash temp from 66C to 69C for extra body.

The actual Caledonian has less body (probably because of my high mash temp), more Goldings flavour/aroma (which I don't like in this kind of beer), but the colour is identical (from memory). Overall I prefer mine :=P

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Post by iowalad » Fri May 04, 2007 9:55 pm

Sounds like a nice drop!

My dishwater twins Yellow King IPA (2.2% ABV) and Wee Scot (2.7 ABV) both used Golden Promise. The only difference was Yellow King used Thames Valley yeast and the Wee Scot used Wyeast Scottish.

I don't notice the smokey taste in the Yellow but I get a hint of it in the Scottish. Of course based on my lousy extraction there may not be much malt flavor to compare!

To date the only times I get that smokey quality is when I have used Wyeast Scottish (twice in an extract kit and twice in 80/s).

I prefer my 80/s with little to no aroma hops added. My last one was made with bittering hops only and I was rather pleased - it brought the yeast and malt to the fore.

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Post by oblivious » Sat May 05, 2007 1:35 pm

I think that yeast to some people interpret the phenol as smoke like, maybe your not sensitive to it

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Re: 80/-

Post by barl_fire » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:58 pm

I acquired a taste for 80/- after holidaying in Scotland last Summer so having a crack at brewing an all-grain version has been on the to do list for few months now. After much trawling of the internet and homebrew books that threw up countless eighty bob recipes, this six year old recipe from Mysterio was the one on paper that got the taste-buds going the most.

I brewed it pretty much to the letter, omitted my usual gypsum water treatment, stuck with the hop schedules and grain bills all bar the addition of an extra 200g of rolled oats. As with the original recipe I boiled down the first gallon of first runnings, reducing it to a toffee caramel before adding it back to the main copper. I too used a high mash temperature of 69C for a bit more body. Fermented the brew with WLP028 Edinburgh ale yeast. This being my first use of liquid yeast I was keen to see how much of a difference it would make to my all grain brews that invariably use either SA04 or US05.

The ale had pretty much dropped bright within 48 hours of racking to secondary which may explain why it took a little longer than normal to carbonate during warm conditioning. It's been in the bottle for a week and a half now and is crystal clear.

Well for someone who mainly brews heavily hopped beers this one is without doubt the best beer I've ever brewed by a long long way, this being a combination of a great recipe and I'm sure my switch to liquid yeast. I've tended to find a lot of my own brews have a certain taste/character specific to my AG brews even when the hop and grain bill is quite different between brews and I've put that down to my in house methods and equipment. However I think the change in yeast has given the ale a character and depth of it's own in that it doesn't have that signature character/flavour that in my mind marks it out straight away as one of my all grain homebrews, but actually tastes more like a good quality bottle-conditioned ale from a commercial brewer rather than barl_fire homebrew, if you know what I mean :lol:

As for the recipe, I think it nails it for the style, well at least it is everything I hoped an 80/- would be. The malts are beautifully defined in both the flavour and aroma, Amber and Pale Chocolate, double yum! I'm so used to being a little disappointed with the contribution from the malts to the flavour in brews I've done using dried yeasts so this is a revelation and makes me very happy indeed. I too like Mysterio pick out a faint smoked note, there's an almost peated whisky quality to the nose without being spirity, combined with an unmistakable EKG note that just peaks faintly through in the aroma. For a 4% beer there's alot of body and the mouthfeel is smooth, although very malty as one would hope it's not too sweet with a nice unobtrusive balance from the EKG hops.

So after fifteen all grain brews I can thank Mysterio for coming up with what will undoubtedly be the first regular house AG brew for me from now on, a cracking recipe and one which deserves being brought out of six years hibernation from Jim's vaults :wink: I'm also looking forward to having a play with more liquid yeasts. Got the ingredients ready for a London Pride clone to be done with the Fullers strain next week, London Pride out of cans being my go to quaffing bitter when drinking at home.

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Re: 80/-

Post by mysterio » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:16 pm

Great work, I think the liquid yeast really makes the beer. I never re-brewed this recipe but your description has got my taste buds craving a pint of it. I think I would bump up the Goldings a little bit next time, what do you think? Adding oats is a nice idea.

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Re: 80/-

Post by barl_fire » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:36 pm

mysterio wrote:Great work, I think the liquid yeast really makes the beer. I never re-brewed this recipe but your description has got my taste buds craving a pint of it. I think I would bump up the Goldings a little bit next time, what do you think? Adding oats is a nice idea.
I hope you do get round to trying it again, it's a cracking recipe. Probably the lowest IBUs I've brewed an all grain recipe to, but to be honest it seems true to style and really works for me even though I usually prefer a bit more bite from hops in my ales, so when I re-brew it I'll probably not change it. Yeah highly recommend chucking some oats in, that and the high mash temp. give it a lot of body and mouthfeel for a 4% beer.

It's definitely converted me to using liquid yeasts a lot more in future, I think I'll be using that WLP028 again whenever I brew something malty, can imagine it'd work really well in a whole range of styles.

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Re: 80/-

Post by Fisker » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:45 pm

I just brewed up this one as well, with the additional 200g of oats you mention, barl_fire. Mashed at 67C and boiled down 3L of the first runnings to about a pint to caramelize it. It turned really dark, and smelled sweet but also slightly burned, so I hope it turns out well. At least the fermentation was quick to start, and the air-lock was clucking away after about 12 hours in my brew-fridge at 16C.

I'm quite excited about this one. It's both the first time I've caramelized wort, and my first use of WLP028.

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Re: 80/-

Post by seymour » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:33 pm

That sounds f_cking amazing!

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Re: 80/-

Post by Fisker » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:34 pm

Moved the fermentor inside today after about a week at 16C, to help it finish at about 20C. The beer seems fairly dark - hard to judge in the bucket - with lumps of yeast floating on top and a HUGE yeast-cake at the bottom. About 8-10 cm yeast cake (ok, maybe some trub as well) in a standard 30L bucket. I think I'm usually around 5 cm in this type of bucket, so I guess it was a good idea to ferment it in the fridge. The WLP028 must surely like this recipe! (Along with my usual addition of servomyces and a drop of olive oil)

I guess I'll just have to look in the 90/- thread to find something I can brew with all this yeast that I've grown :)

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Re: 80/-

Post by Matt12398 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:43 pm

Based on that thread I'm doing the Founder's one. If that one sways you we can have a chat about our results.

Fisker

Re: 80/-

Post by Fisker » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:45 am

Unfortunately, my brew turned out to be infected :( . My guess is brett, but I'm not completely sure. So I had to dump the yeast cake, but will certainly be looking at brewing a 90/- sometime in the future.

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Re: 80/-

Post by lord.president » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:02 pm

Wow. Thanks for this thread,had Broughton Excisemans 80/- in a bottle last night (The joys of cross border families) and that put next months brew an 80/-. Deffo having a go at this.
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Re: 80/-

Post by koomber » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:16 pm

Might give this a try next month. I think the push towards hoppy beers means a lot of people miss out on the sheer joy of a malty beast like this. The addition of oats sounds like a good idea too.

The last 80/- I made had Munich as the base malt. Gave it a wonderful flavour (until it leaked all over the floor).

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Re: 80/-

Post by lord.president » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:36 pm

Would anybody be so kind as to covert this to a 23 litre batch? I'n trying on BeerSmith and I'm not sure it's right!

I got:

4.36 kg Maris Otter
.55kg Amber
.32kg crystal
.27kg wheat malt
.15kg oats
.12g pale chocolate

75g EKG 60 mins
15g EKG 15 mins

If that's right,I'm happy!

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Re: 80/-

Post by lord.president » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:29 pm

Got Beer Engine working,as I seen the bug about back space not working:

3465g Pale
438g amber
254g crystal
219g wheat malt
93 g pale chocolate malt

40g EKG 60mins
6g EKG 15 mins

Bank Holiday weekend,here we come!
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