Dragon Stout / Jamaican Stout recipes?

[Frothy]

I just sampled Dragon Stout for the first time it's really something quite refreshing in the world of dark ale. 7.5% & Brewed in Jamaica by Red Stripe. I've read in BYO recently that Guinness Foreign Extra (7.5%) is/was very popular in the West Indies so I guess this is where it may have come from and also that Jamaican Stouts are fermented using a lager yeast at warmer pale ale temperatures

The brew is very sweet with very little head and tastes very little like a 7.5% beer. I'm guessing it may have lactose in it, does anyone please have a recipe?

cheers
Frothy

[delboy]

5.5 Kg pale/lager malt
0.285 Kg chocolate malt
0.565 Kg crystal malt (dark)
0.190 Kg black malt
0.070 Kg roast barley

0.285 Kg dark brown sugar
0.850 Kg corn sugar

Magnum hops at 90 mins to give 14 IBU.

Ferment with a lager yeast (munich 2308) 6-11 C for aprox two weeks then raise the temp to 14-17 C until fermented out

or use california lager yeast 2112 and ferment at a steady temp between 10 and 17 C depending on how clean you want it to be.

[gorymorph]

hi
i made this on about 10 weeks ago and its nealy gone, it was called enter the dragon stout but theres also a recipe for dragon stout, must say it was bl**dy beutifull, only got a couple of pints left.

http://www.homebrewandbeer.com/ourhomebrews.html


look to the stouts, just ordered the stuff for another 40 pints that im going to put away for christmas, if it last that long

[steve_flack]

There's some info on it in the 'Stout' beer styles book. I'll have a look when I get home.

[Frothy]

I found this recipe last night
http://www.macgruffusbrewery.com/recipe ... ut_ag.html

[delboy]

I found this recipe last night
http://www.macgruffusbrewery.com/recipe ... ut_ag.html

looks very similar to the one i posted

[steve_flack]

Maybe this is why

Original recipe from "Clonebrews" by Tess and Mark Szamatulksi

[delboy]

Maybe this is why

Original recipe from "Clonebrews" by Tess and Mark Szamatulksi

Yipe seems everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet.

Does anyone know how close these recipes are to the real things in terms of the IBUs etc, are they guesstimates or do they have inside knowledge of the recipes.

[steve_flack]

They are guestimates as far as I can tell - I think they've been trial brewed and compared to be similar though. The info I have at home was provided by the brewery themselves so I'll try and post that later.

[Frothy]

That would be great thanks Steve. I thought it was very similar DelBoy although I'm not sure why this guys added flaked maize to the recipe. Thankyou for the recipe anyway. 14IBU's seems very low and looking at any of the recipes so far I wonder where the incredible sweetness would come from. I'm pretty sure it would be lactose because this is indigestible by yeast, there are a few sweet stout recipes like this in Camra's Brew Classic Euro beers i.e.

Mackeson Export Stout 23L 1.059 34IBU
Pale Malt 4.4kg
Choc Malt 0.65kg
Black Malt 0.15kg
Lactose 0.6kg

Target 35g 90min

Finishing gravity is heigh to provide the sweetness at 1.025 so this is only 4.6% alcohol.

Thanks for all the suggestions so far.
Frothy

[steve_flack]

The info I have is from the Classic Beer Styles 'Stout' book. It says

Malt - 6-row malt, black malt, caramel malt, caramel colouring, corn syrup.
Yeast - Lager (20,000,000 cells/ml) pitched at 15C, fermented at 21C.
Hops - Extract to 30IBU (no varieties given)

Step mashed - main sacc step at 68C.

OG 1.074
FG 1.018
ABV 7.5%
30 IBU
76 SRM
2.6 vol CO2

The sweet stout version is bottled with added sugar (presumbly the beer is pasteurised so this won't be fermented). To duplicate this is a homebrewed beer you'd need to use lactose.

[seymour]

Bump. I just discovered this beer recently. I don't care how crappy and adjuncty this recipe is (barely any real malt or hops...and lager yeast?!), because it's delicious. I was very excited to find this old thread which has functional recipes.

These somewhat contradictory brewery statements were all I'd managed to come up with. The recipes you guys listed pretty much match what has been revealed over the years.

http://www.beer-universe.com/beer-profi ... (Jamaica)/

http://www.dragonstout.co.uk/Brewery.as ... eSupport=1

[Fuggled Mind]

Seymour

Had a bottle of this over the weekend. Agreed, it might not match the quality of other stouts but it is deliciously drinkable. Not tried the recipe as of yet as I've only recently moved to all-grain but it is on my wish list too (and has been bookmarked for a long time).

Another classic tropical stout is the Sri Lankan Lion stout. This one is much more complex, quite pruney actually, and one I'd love to brew should a recipe ever turn up.

Cheers

Jason

[seymour]

...Another classic tropical stout is the Sri Lankan Lion stout. This one is much more complex, quite pruney actually, and one I'd love to brew should a recipe ever turn up...

Yeah, I've rated that one, too. It's good. I consider that a much more true-to-style authentic foreign stout, like Guinness Foreign Extra, etc. The bewildering thing about the Dragon Stout is that it's mainly highly processed corn syrup and burnt cane sugar, hop extract, who knows how much real malted barley, and fermented with lager yeast likely recycled from Red Stripe batches. Bizarre. They're breaking just about every rule and it's still delicious. Makes you think...

[Fuggled Mind]

...Another classic tropical stout is the Sri Lankan Lion stout. This one is much more complex, quite pruney actually, and one I'd love to brew should a recipe ever turn up...

Yeah, I've rated that one, too. It's good. I consider that a much more true-to-style authentic foreign stout, like Guinness Foreign Extra, etc. The bewildering thing about the Dragon Stout is that it's mainly highly processed corn syrup and burnt cane sugar, hop extract, who knows how much real malted barley, and fermented with lager yeast likely recycled from Red Stripe batches. Bizarre. They're breaking just about every rule and it's still delicious. Makes you think...

I know what you mean, you know it's wrong but you can't help yourself. What I really like about this stuff is it's unbeleivable smoothness (even if it does make me feel a bit dirty for drinking it). Also makes me wonder how many other beers are full of junk but are still a pleasure to drink.

Cheers

Jason