AG#58 - Pseudo-lambic #1

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AG#58 - Pseudo-lambic #1

Post by Lugsy » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:00 pm

So, this is my entry for this years New Year's Day brew. To avoid the unpleasantries of last year's hungover attempt I'm cheating this year and getting the brew done before NYD itself :wink:

The basic idea behind the NYD brew is to make a beer that needs aging and so can be enjoyed the following New Year. Last year was the Russian Imperial Stout, this year we've gone with a funky/wild yeast theme but a much wider range of styles. Inspired by the excellent "Wild Brews" by Jeff Sparrow I decided I'd have a go at a pseudo-lambic.

Grist:
Dingemans Pilsen Malt 3300g 66%
Unmalted Wheat 1700g 34%
(Plus 350g of oat husks to aid the run-off)

Hops:
Aged hops ?%AA 100g Start of boil.

Yeast:
WLP655 Belgian Sour Mix 1

Pretty simple eh? Not exactly. I decided to go with a traditional turbid mash following this basic schedule, volumes increased to account for my slightly bigger brewlength of 23 litres. This is a fairly lengthy process so I did the mash yesterday and I'm boiling today. It's the first time I've attempted such a complex mash (decoctions are staightforward in comparison!) and I'm glad I split the brewing process over two days as it ended up taking the best part of 6 hours with my missing rest temperatures and all the sparging. The first bit is definitely the worst - doughing in 5 kilos of grain with 3.5 litres of water is exhausting, and then there's about half an hour of madness while you heat this, add that, drain off a portion, heat that, scald yourself, stir constantly - you get the picture. Anyway, it calms down a bit after that and you do a fairly standard 2-stage sacc rest, mash-out and run-off and then start the sparging. I batch sparge, normally a single 12 litre sparge to avoid extracting tannins and other unpleasant compounds. With this method you want to extract as many dextrins and starches as possible to give the bacteria and Brett something to munch on when all the simple sugars have been devoured by the brewers yeast. You need to sparge with really hot water (88C) until the gravity goes below 1.008, which means you collect a huge volume of wort. I did 3 sparges of about 10 litres each, the final one coming out at 1.007, and collected a total of 44 litres :shock: . I'm really pleased I included the oat husks, they made the run-off and sparging so much easier. It's the first time I've used them but they'll now be a staple of my wheat beers.

This has been boiling now for about 3 1/2 hours and I think I'm nearly there, maybe another 1 1/2 hours left to go. Then the brew gets even weirder. After cooling I'll be using "kitchen inoculation" to get a good dose of enterobacter in there for added authenticity - these are endemic in most kitchens and include such bugs as E.coli (although I'm assured that when the yeast and other goodies in the sour mix take hold the pH drop and the rise in alcohol content is enough to kill them off). I'll leave it overnight for the enterobacter to do their bit and then pitch the sour mix in the morning straight from the vial, which is about 4 weeks old so should do the job nicely. I hope [-o< It does worry me a bit the volume of yeast I'll be pitching, there's only about half an inch of solid material in the bottom of the vial, a lot less than you get with standard Sacc. strains. I know this is to allow the bacteria to get a good foothold before the yeast takes over but it goes against everything I'm comfortable with as a brewer, as does so much else with this brew - it's definitely new ground for me.

As far as drinkability goes, I'm not holding out much hope for it as a stand-alone beer. I plan on doing one of these each year and then blending them, adding fruit to part batches, all the usual things for lambics. This looks like it'll be the start of quite an adventure :D

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Re: AG#58 - Pseudo-lambic #1

Post by leedsbrew » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:54 pm

You sir are either mad or [censored] mental! :-) nice one mate!

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Post by WishboneBrewery » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:02 pm

You say this will make beer.......??? ;-)

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Post by barney » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:49 pm

This sounds Ace.

I have done the kitchen inoculation thing a number of times on small quantities, but only managed to get highly phenolic beers to date. They are always going like the clappers though after 2 or 3 days. It could be nice with sour on top of it.

Good luck. :)

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Post by Lugsy » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:11 pm

leedsbrew - probably both.

pdtnc - allegedly, whether or not it's nice remains to be seen.

barney - I'll probably need it!

I boiled this for a bit too long and came up short on volume (21 litres) and high on gravity (1.051) but efficiency wise I wasn't far off my estimate of 75%, after losses to hops - I'll liquor back to 1.048 tomorrow. It's safely tucked up in the fermenter now after being left open to the kitchen air for a couple of hours, I'll pitch the sour mix tomorrow afternoon and then my work is done and I'll let the little guys finish it off.

Cheers!

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Post by stevetk189 » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:26 am

I had a bottle of Lambic on Christmas Day. To see what all the fuss was about really. It tasted of peaches. Just peaches, fizzy peaches. Not sure what all the build up mashing and what not work is all about, just to end up adding a tonne of peaches in at the end. It could have been Spar Lager with peach soda stream syrup - it went down the sink. Hope yours doesn't need syrupping to death to make it palatable, after all your hard work.
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Post by seymour » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:33 pm

stevetk189 wrote:I had a bottle of Lambic on Christmas Day. To see what all the fuss was about really. It tasted of peaches. Just peaches, fizzy peaches. Not sure what all the build up mashing and what not work is all about, just to end up adding a tonne of peaches in at the end. It could have been Spar Lager with peach soda stream syrup - it went down the sink. Hope yours doesn't need syrupping to death to make it palatable, after all your hard work.
Next time you want to try a lambic, don't get a Peche limbic. I agree with you that most fruit lambics end up taking like odd, synthetic fruity sodas, which covers up the true undiluted lambic characteristics.

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Post by leedsbrew » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:04 pm

Anything by Cantillon, 3 fonteinen if you want to know what a propper lambic tastes like! :-)

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Post by Lugsy » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:15 pm

+1 to that! I've had the Cantillon geuze which is superb, and their Kriek blew my socks off! It's the only traditional Kriek I've tried and was entirely different to the sweetened ones you normally find, really dry and sour - delicious :D

I pitched the WLP655 yesterday about 24 hours after after this underwent the "kitchen inoculation" phase. There's a tiny bit of visible activity (just a couple of bubbles on the surface of the wort) but there is a slight yeasty/fermentation smell so I'm not overly concerned just yet. This is supposed to be a pretty low pitching rate so I wasn't expecting a huge krausen and I'm keeping the temperature pretty low for now (~17C), I'll only start worrying properly if there's no sign of increased activity in the morning [-o<

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Post by Tom_D » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:10 am

Congrats Ian, that is a seriously epic undertaking! =D> Look forward to updates on this. So far I've been reluctant to go down the turbid mash route but you've fired me up to give it a go.

re. the WLP655 - My first sour was inoculated with this stuff back in September and activity was slow.. in fact there's still no pellicle so you might not see a lot. Apparently this is nothing to worry about. My Cantillon dreg beer, on the other hand, looks like a swamp creature.

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Post by Lugsy » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:16 pm

Cheers Tom! It was a bit more effort than usual but I think another couple of goes at it and turbid mashing will be a breeze :^o

The sour mix has taken off well now - there was a thin creamy covering on the wort this morning and now there's a decent krausen of about 3 inches so I'm pretty relieved about that :)

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