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Mash filter upgrade - with pics!

Post by Naich » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:27 am

Way back in the distant past (seems like it) of 2010 I made a nice looking false bottom for my mash tun, and it took bloody ages to build. I spent so much time and effort making it, it had to work better than the cheap and nasty manifold one I was using, surely? Well, no. The efficiency wasn't any better and it was a total pain to put together, take apart and clean. I did over 20 brews with it and with it taking 15 minutes to put together and another 15 minutes to take apart and clean, that's 10 hours of my life spent fiddling around with tiny screws and swearing. This is how many parts it has:

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Look at them. 61 parts to assemble, dismantle and clean each time. Then the silicon rubber seal snaps and Jen has to cover up the kid's ears again. It also sticks like Sticky the stick insect when he's stuck to a sticky bun. Fast flow or slow, it always clogs up. So it's back to the manifold filter. This time I want to do it properly, so start off with a CAD drawing:

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I've no plans to fly sparge, so having the pipes away from the walls (to avoid channelling) doesn't matter, but I did it anyway. I'm doing it properly this time. The outlet is in the middle to minimise the distance to any part of the manifold. It has to be easy to assemble, take to bits and easy to clean, with no inaccessible areas you can't get a brush to.

The slots are on a 7mm pitch, and there are 114 of them, so I knocked up a jig to make cutting them neatly a bit easier (sorry for the blurry pic):

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Using the jig to cut the slots:

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I had to modify the outlet a bit because the hole in the side of the mash tun is a bit on the low side. The intention was to have as few soldered joints as possible and the right angle fitting was supposed to fit into the T with a nifty twisty clippy thingy, but because I had to cut it down so much there was no room and I ended up soldering it instead.

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Look at those soldering skills; It looks like a bird shat on it from a great height. Good job I'm a bit of a dab hand with the file and wet&dry.

This is the possibly clever bit. I haven't tried it yet, so this might turn out to be the stupidest idea I've ever come up with. The idea is to add legs to the outer pipes so they are braced against the wall and against the bottom. With legs attached, the pipes drop into place and won't turn or drop off, even when whacked with a large spoon. The middle pipes are soldered to the end Ts so they don't need to be aligned either. The end pipes butt up against the end walls, keeping everything in place without the need for soldering or bits of string. You'll see what I mean later on in the finished picture.

Cutting a slot for the leg and trying it out for size:

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Here it is, soldered in and with the legs bent into shape:

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This is how they sit in the mash tun - you can see that they keep the slots facing downwards.

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There is a couple of millimetres clearance, but the manifold can't accidentally come apart because it butts up against all the walls. You don't have to align the slots because it aligns itself when you drop it in. There are only 3 soldered joints so it comes apart almost completely for cleaning - just bung it in the dishwasher and it'll be fine:

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So, in comparison with the old filter, it's got 13 parts rather than 61, it takes 43 seconds to assemble rather than 15 minutes and it's easy to use and clean. I'll find out if it actually works in a couple of weeks.
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Re: Mash filter upgrade - with pics!

Post by barneey » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:32 am

=D> I`m liking the little spacer leg things =D>

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Post by Naich » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:43 am

Ayup Barneey. Hows things? I've been unable to make beer recently due to moving house and various minor disasters, so I wasn't reading JBK much. Now things have settled down I've got a bit more time to wibble around with things and do some upgrading. I've still got your chiller and plan to incorporate it into the beer hutch at some point to provide some cooling in the summer months, if we get one.

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Post by barneey » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:06 pm

Its nice to see your about again and re-engineering things, (some which may or may not need to be re-engineered :) ), a beer hutch sounds interesting - I need somewhere to keep the new kegs cool during the Summer months
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Post by Kev888 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:47 pm

Very nice indeed- I especially like the little legs; holds it together without compromising the tube position in the MT.

The beer hutch also sounds interesting - as long as you can keep the beer guzzling rabbits out of it :-)

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Post by darkonnis » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:55 pm

Kev888 wrote:The beer hutch also sounds interesting - as long as you can keep the beer guzzling rabbits out of it :-)
Maybe thats the point! double beer & rabbit pie :D

OT again- I think theres a lot to be said for the manifolds, I tried various mesh false bottoms and all sorts of tights and flexi tubing pipe and and and and and... finally put a manifold in, got a steady 75% efficiency, now my new tun has a shiny false bottom.... which also gets 75% efficiency but cost £50 not £7 though it is easier to clean....

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Post by aamcle » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:35 pm

I'm quiet new so this may seem dum it may even be dum, why not use something like a BIAB bag as a liner?

It would have a massive surface so blocking is less likely and you could use it at the end of the mash to easily lift the spends out of your tank.


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Re: Mash filter upgrade - with pics!

Post by Naich » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:45 pm

Gentlemen - the Beer Hutch:

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I made it yonks ago to keep the beer above freezing in the winter months, mostly from bits that were in the skip or about to go in the skip. It's only fitted out with a heater at the moment but with a bit of refrigeration it should be able to knock a few degrees off any summer temperatures we get. I'm also cadging a proper fridge off a mate for temperature controlled fermenting, now that I've got a bit of room to play around with.

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Post by Kev888 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:53 pm

Ah, useful. You really need a little ramp for the beer to get in and out, though.
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Post by darkonnis » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:15 pm

aamcle wrote:I'm quiet new so this may seem dum it may even be dum, why not use something like a BIAB bag as a liner?

It would have a massive surface so blocking is less likely and you could use it at the end of the mash to easily lift the spends out of your tank.


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It would work, but you'd be in danger of washing the hell out of the grain closest the tap. Apparently this can cause off flavours though I've never done it so it could be a myth.

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Re: Mash filter upgrade - with pics!

Post by Kev888 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:00 am

aamcle wrote:I'm quiet new so this may seem dum it may even be dum, why not use something like a BIAB bag as a liner?
It would have a massive surface so blocking is less likely and you could use it at the end of the mash to easily lift the spends out of your tank.
Its not dumb, people do use grain bags as you say and it works. But if you have a purpose-designed mash tun its often easier to take advantage of the benefits with a manifold or false button, especially during the sparge.

Especially for fly sparging, the idea is to have a very uniform grain bed and drain fully from top to bottom rather than all around by the nearest exit, in order to get the liquor flowing evenly through all areas and through the entire depth of the grain - this means more even rinsing effects, so you don't leave lots of good stuff behind in some places whilst over-rinsing others, which can extract undesirable flavours like tannins. The grain bed can also be freely (semi) suspended in the liquid to keep it loose and easy to filter through, rather than suspended/compressed in a net and/or lifted out of the liquid, and its generally harder to manage a bag as the grain bills increase in weight. If batch sparging instead, then its less critical but still of benefit and easier to stir between batches if things aren't suspended in a bag.

You could of course lay a grain bag in a mash tun and sit it on a stand (to leave space below for the wort to drain out via) rather than suspending it from the top. But you still have a bag to get in the way when stirring and to clean, and if you have to make a stand it may almost as well be a manifold etc..

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