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SEYMOUR FLYER BEST

Post by seymour » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:16 pm

"Oh I get by with a little help from my friends,
Mmm, I get high with a little help from my friends,
Mmm, I'm gonna try with a little help from my friends…"


Mmm is right. Yesterday was my birthday, so I took the day off work to FINALLY brew this batch I've been planning. The "help from my friends", we'll call them birthday presents, included: Russian kasha from gregwilsonstl, the new experimental English high-alpha UK Flyer hop variety from timbo41 and the elusive Adnams dual-strain yeast which jmc liberated from a Broadside mini-cask. You guys rock!

Lots going on here. You'll spy some distinctly American ingredients too, as well as my signature steel-cut oats. Is this strange brew a too-strong Dark Mild or too-hoppy Northern English Brown Ale? A Brown IPA? A bastardized old-timey Samuel Webster & Wilsons clone? A too-complex American Vanilla Cream Ale? An adjunct-laden Irish Red Ale or Scottish Heavy? A watered-down Jamaican Dragon Stout? A hoppy Russian kvass?

HELL, I DUNNO! I'm simply gonna call it English Best Bitter, and hope it's tasty.

I'm excited to taste a Flyer single-hop brew, and I'm also excited to compare the Adnams dual-strain fermentation to a familiar Whitbread-B version of the same beer. I don't know how it'll finish out, but so far it seems like the buckwheat added those elusive nutty/bready/biscuity notes that I associate with expensive UK pale barley malts. Thanks again, guys!

6.1 US Gallons = 5.1 Imperial Gallons = 23 Litres

GRAINBILL
61.5% = 7 lbs = 3175 g, Pale Malt (a blend of English Maris Otter and American Six-Row)
10.2% = 1.16 lb = 528 g, Buckwheat/Russian Kasha (thanks gregwilsonstl!)
8.8% = 1 lb = 454 g, Victory Malt 25L
5.7% = .65 lb = 295 g, Crystal Malt 80L
5.7% = .65 lb = 295 g, Steel-Cut Oats
1% = .13 lb = 60 g, Black Malt
7% = .79 lbs = 360 g, Corn Syrup with real vanilla (added to boil)
*did you notice that's only 10 ½ lbs of grain? That left more space than I'm used to in the mash tun. If I enjoy how this turns out, I can easily increase the batch size next time.

STRIKE grain bed with 3.5 US gallons water heated to 165°F/73.8°C.

MASH ≈ 152.6°F/67°C for 90 min, sprinkle-in some calcium carbonate at the beginning.

SPARGE at 170°F/76.7°C. Combine the first-runnings with corn syrup, bring to a hard boil for some kettle caramelization. Meanwhile, continue sparging into another kettle, eventually pouring the contents into the main boil kettle, aiming to collect 8.4 US Gallons/7 Imperial Gallons total pre-boil. In my case, the first-runnings boiled approximately 40 min before the rest was added, at which point I added the hops and started a 60 min countdown.

BOIL for 100 min total. Sprinkle-in some gypsum. Add immersion wort chiller at 15 min remaining.

HOPS (thanks timbo41!)
.6 oz = 17 g, UK Flyer, 60 min remaining
.6 oz = 17 g, UK Flyer, 30 min remaining
.6 oz = 17 g, UK Flyer, 15 min remaining
.88 oz = 25 g, UK Flyer, at flame-out, then steep 30 minutes while immersion-chilled.
*These hops were originally measured at 11% Alpha Acids, but were aged over a year and pulverized in search of seeds (see separate thread), so I'm guessing the bitter resin is much deteriorated. Nonetheless, they smelled great.

YEAST: split the wort into two fermentors with separate yeasts, fermented at 62°F/16.7°C.
1. Adnams dual-strain (thanks jmc!), 2.5 US Gallons/2.1 Imperial Gallons
2. Whitbread-B/Safale S-04, 3.6 US Gallons/3 Imperial Gallons

STATS (73% mash efficiency and 75% yeast attenuation): (Updated)
OG: 1047
FG: Adnams=1012, Whitbread=1013.5
ABV: Adnams=4.6%, Whitbread=4.4%
Apparent Attenuation: Adnams=74%, Whitbread=71%
IBU: ≈35-40?
COLOUR: 14° SRM/27.6° EBC, reddish copper

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Morning Roll Call on the dining room table. I recently ran the base malts through the handy electric mill at my local homebrew store, so it just took 20 min or so to manually crack the remaining specialty grains. Fresh is best!


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Picnic cooler mashing under way. Sparge water heating-up on the left, hops measured-out on the right.


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I like to prep and mash in the kitchen, then boil on the adjoining back porch. It was raining, so I kept the digital camera inside. But there's the keggle, steaming away. P.S. I used that bag of potting soil when transplanting a Northern Brewer hop later in the day, and the little IKEA planter in the lower right contains some Wormwood (Artemis absinthium) which I grew from Chiltern UK seeds.


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When I dropped-in my immersion chiller, I realized it wasn't well-suited to my bigger boil keggle. It couldn't reach all the way down, but somehow it still managed to chill the wort to pitching temp in 30 minutes.


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Also, I skipped a thermometer when converting my keggle, figuring I could tell by looking whether it's boiling or not. Aren't I a clever boy? Well...now I realize I'd love a built-in thermometer to monitor the chilling process. Until then, I had to stick it way down in there, which you can kinda see through the glass lid. At least I got that cool feature right. :)


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A close-up of the long-awaited Adnams yeast. It might've been a big mistake, but I chose to pitch jmc's vial straight into a smaller batch, as opposed to stepping-up a yeast starter (which I feared might introduce infection and/or genetic drift.) Of course, this means extreme under-pitching, with an extremely long lag-time where any number of other things could go wrong. Am I mad?


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Flyer Best One and Flyer Best Two. Sounds like space shuttles. Fermentation Vessels filled, measured, aerated, pitched, wiped-down, and ready to move to the basement. By evening, the bigger Whitbread-B version was bubbling away. The Adnams version…not so much. C'mon boys, YOU CAN DO IT!!!

It rained all day, so the floor and I were a soggy mess, but I didn't encounter any real problems. It's almost like I'm getting this whole thing figured out. :) Nah, as usual, I learned several new ways to enhance my equipment and processes next time. Overall, it was a great brewday. Can't wait to taste it!
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Re: SEYMOUR FLYER BEST

Post by simple one » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:21 pm

Lovely write up. Adnams yeasty twang should go nice with the Flyer taste.... And it just so happens I am sat here drinking an all Flyer pale.

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Post by seymour » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:27 pm

simple one wrote:Lovely write up. Adnams yeasty twang should go nice with the Flyer taste.... And it just so happens I am sat here drinking an all Flyer pale.
Thanks. I'll raise a toast to you in several weeks. :) How is yours drinking?

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Post by timbo41 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:31 pm

You the man! Looking forward to results.
especially as my flyer smash got an aceter infection and was consigned to the great drip tray in the sky...oh well,over it now!
Just like trying new ideas!

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Post by seymour » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:36 pm

timbo41 wrote:You the man! Looking forward to results.
especially as my flyer smash got an aceter infection and was consigned to the great drip tray in the sky...oh well,over it now!
Hmmmm...a Flyer SMaSH Berliner Weiss, you say? Curiouser and curiouser...

What you guys dump, we call American-style experimental craft brewing! :) No joke. Do a Google search on the term "Florida Weiss".

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Post by timbo41 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:54 pm

Mmm yeah my recipes frequently change between post and brew. The krystalweissbier ended up a three grain e.p.a!!
Matter of style interpretation I reckon :lol:

Haha just re-read that post...no,this stuff had really turned,not just a little sour...nearly melted the bucket.
All for experimentation guru..butnot at the expense of two dozen rolls of andrex
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Post by Steve D » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:43 am

Nice post and pics. Once question...what's the Calcium Carbonate for? Usually we try and get rid of that stuff for Bitters/Pale Ales. Have you got ultra-ultra soft water? ;)
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Post by seymour » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:02 am

Steve D wrote:Nice post and pics. Once question...what's the Calcium Carbonate for? Usually we try and get rid of that stuff for Bitters/Pale Ales. Have you got ultra-ultra soft water? ;)
Thanks. Yes, in St. Louis we have extremely soft water city-wide. The age-old rumour is that it's because long ago Anheuser Busch subsidized the water treatment infrastructure so they would always have good water coming into the brewery. I personally find a little chalk in the mash subtly enhances my dark ales (I freely admit this beer's pretty dark for a true-to-style English Bitter), bringing out a little colour and simulating Old World limestone well water. I understand it boils out, though, so no permanent issues. I find a tiny bit of gypsum in the boil increases the English character and really makes the hops sing. It's purely anecdotal and I could be mistaken; I haven't yet made a serious study of water chemistry.
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Re: SEYMOUR FLYER BEST

Post by jmc » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:52 am

Hi Seymour

Good luck with the brew. Sounds like it will be lovely.

I hope the Adnams yeast works well for you.
Has that 1/2 started yet?

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Post by Manx Guy » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:52 pm

Looks good!

Happy Birthday for yesterday! :)
I hope the Adnams yeast gets going for you...

I have very soft water and add gypsum to the mash and boil & Calcium chloride to Porters & Stouts...

Let us know how this turns out

:D

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Post by seymour » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:55 pm

jmc wrote:Good luck with the brew. Sounds like it will be lovely.
Thanks!
jmc wrote:I hope the Adnams yeast works well for you. Has that 1/2 started yet?
I'm not sure to be honest. This morning, there appeared to be a very small colony forming on the surface, and the airlock insert is slightly elevated which seems to indicate CO2 build-up. No active bubbling, though.
Manx Guy wrote:Looks good!

Happy Birthday for yesterday! :)
I hope the Adnams yeast gets going for you...
Thanks, it was a good day.

I hope so, too. I'll keep you posted.

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Post by Steve D » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:32 pm

seymour wrote:
Steve D wrote:Nice post and pics. Once question...what's the Calcium Carbonate for? Usually we try and get rid of that stuff for Bitters/Pale Ales. Have you got ultra-ultra soft water? ;)
Thanks. Yes, in St. Louis we have extremely soft water city-wide. The age-old rumour is that it's because long ago Anheuser Busch subsidized the water treatment infrastructure so they would always have good water coming into the brewery. I personally find a little chalk in the mash subtly enhances my dark ales, bringing out a little colour and simulating Old World limestone well water. I understand it boils out, though, so no permanent issues. I find a tiny bit of gypsum in the boil increases the English character and really makes the hops sing. It's purely anecdotal and I could be mistaken; I haven't yet made a serious study of water chemistry.
Disclaimer: Forgive me if you already know all this ;)

I see, well, you're right to try and up the alkalinity a little then. In some senses lucky you as it's easier to add than to take away and you have more of a blank canvas to work with, water wise, than most. Calcium carbonate isn't very soluble though. It needs acidic conditions to dissolve. A couple of things you seem to have discovered empirically - Dark beers seem to do better in higher alkalinity water than pale beers. Roasted grains tend to acidify mash and so a grist containing them will counteract a higher level of alkalinity in the water keeping the mash PH nearer where is should be. Stouts and Porters were London beers originally and there the water is high in carbonate hardness. Pale grists don't do this as much and so Mash PH in higher alkalinity water tends to be too high. However this brings me onto your second empirical discovery:-

Pale Ales and Bitters (what pale ale ended up being called) benefit from Calcium Sulphate (Gypsum) in the water. By Pale Ale, I mean original British pale ale - made with pale malt and plenty of hops - bitter with a big hop presence in flavour and aroma interweaved with malt...I don't mean lager. Calcium Sulphate is what gives water permanent hardness which is different to alkaline Carbonate hardness. Carbonate hardness is called temporary hardness because it can be removed by boiling - it breaks down to chalk and settles out. The big difference between the two is Sulphate acidifies water, Carbonate makes it alkaline. With higher levels of Calcium Sulphate and lower Carbonate levels, the pale grist mash heads merrily off in the acid direction towards the ideal 5.2 ish. Figures for 'ideal' levels to make pale ale are said to be 30-50mg/l carbonate, and 180-220mg/l Calcium - added as Calcium Sulphate. Benefits to the ale - improved sugar extraction, suppression of nasties being extracted, wort clarity, hop utilisation, hop flavour, final beer clarity, and others... Some, not all, of the water around Burton on Trent is very high in Gypsum, which would have benefited pale ale brewing. On some Burton ales, Marstons for one, you can smell the sulphur. Brewing liquor aficionados point to that as being the reason for Burton's success in the 19th century...I think that's rubbish though. It was more to do with entrepreneurial skill, and the excellent transport links from this completely central England town enabling the ale to spread far and wide.

So, yeah, chuck a little carbonate in and a fair amount of gypsum for pale ales/bitters, and a bit more carbonate, and less Gypsum for dark beers.. :)
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Post by Matt12398 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:28 pm

Although Seymour's approach to water treatment is a fairly laid back one that post was a bit like telling Steven Hawking how the universe works.

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Post by simple one » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:34 pm

seymour wrote:
simple one wrote:Lovely write up. Adnams yeasty twang should go nice with the Flyer taste.... And it just so happens I am sat here drinking an all Flyer pale.
Thanks. I'll raise a toast to you in several weeks. :) How is yours drinking?
Keeps getting better with age. It was quite oily to begin, but has become more refreshing. Has kept the chally flavour and aroma throughout.

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Post by seymour » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:59 pm

Matt12398 wrote:Although Seymour's approach to water treatment is a fairly laid back one that post was a bit like telling Steven Hawking how the universe works.
That's funny, but I didn't take it that way at all. I think SteveD's post was good stuff, stated better than I could.
simple one wrote:
seymour wrote:
simple one wrote: ...And it just so happens I am sat here drinking an all Flyer pale.
Thanks. I'll raise a toast to you in several weeks. :) How is yours drinking?
Keeps getting better with age. It was quite oily to begin, but has become more refreshing. Has kept the chally flavour and aroma throughout.
Sounds good to me, I love Challenger hops. Upon opening the vacuum bag, these raw Flyer hops smelled a lot like Challenger to me, though a bit wilder and heavier, with faint mustardy, garlicy, and cheesy notes, actually. Familiar and odd at the same time. I can't wait to taste 'em in a brew.

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