20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

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Would you buy a Traditional Style 20ltr Keg

Poll ended at Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:07 am

No I wouldn't buy one
7
22%
Yes I would buy one
18
56%
Unsure
7
22%
 
Total votes: 32

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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by Fil » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:34 am

Do these kegs come with an intergral spear like a corny dip tube or is that another per keg cost involved if buying into this system? and are the seals/washers used designed for single or multi fils?

afaik the major drawback for domestic brewers with these commercial kegs is the uncertainty involved with blind cleaning and sterilising, which the corny lid overcomes by giving us a visual inspection ability.

so far all me cornys have passed the visual inspection after a clean so i might have the coinfidence to jump to blind kegs if i have all the costs sussed??? :)
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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by bobsbeer » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:58 am

I've been interested in regular kegs for some time. Adopting industry standard kegs and fittings makes sense from an availability and parts situation, but like has been pointed out, quantity seems to be the issue. I think these companies are missing an opportunity here. The HB market is huge, but would involve thousands of small orders. But similar 20lt kegs are available from Candirect for 67 euros plus shipping. See HERE

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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by barneey » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:32 am

Good spot Bob, but for a large quantity order you can get brand new kegs for a similar price, again "quantity is the issue"

To answer a few other questions the kegs would be complete, the only item needed would be a coupler to connect the keg + a few basic tools to take the spear out IF required.

If you have a read through gnutz post, there is alot of info on there viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58785

Bob have you approached the question on THBF to see if there is much interest?
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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by bobsbeer » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:59 am

barneey wrote:
Bob have you approached the question on THBF to see if there is much interest?
No but I can cross post. I agree a bulk order would probably be cheaper than individual ones from Germany.

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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by bobsbeer » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:04 am

Posted a link on THBF. Image

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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by barneey » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:12 pm

Cheers Bob, will have to wait and see what the responce is like.
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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by Matt12398 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:00 pm

I just took a look at the thread on the other forum and Vossy mentioned cornies direct from Cornelius. They are out of stock though which is of no help whatsoever but it says more will be coming back in..

http://www.corneliusukonline.com/en/ECo ... -Tank.aspx

I like the idea of these alternatives though so if it comes to anything I could be interested. I only have two cornies at the moment which has generally been enough as I only have two taps on my kegerator but there have been a couple times I've wished I had one more. Like all these things aswell they have a habit of going up in price steeply once they get popular so I don't want to miss the boat because I'm sure I'll want more some time. Not sure how the price on these will change though.

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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by barneey » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:13 pm

I cant see the traditional kegs fluctuating much in price, the only reason for corny kegs fetching a good price at the moment is due to supply and demand / stocks of old kegs already sold off and they arent really used anymore. What was really annoying Bob found a cheap china source of cornys a week later they had doubled in price due to someone wanting to cash in (in China).

The only thing that my go up in price on the second hand market (ebay) is the traditional keg couplers, I`ve been picking them up for < £5 a pop. but many more go for ££`s and the BIN prices are crazy.
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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by bobsbeer » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:13 pm

Even if the keg couplers go up slightly due to HB demand they will stabilise as they are industry standard items and even new ones are only around £35 ish so unlikely to go beyond that price. And lets face it they are are only a one time purchase, and will probably last many many years. Cornies as stated are becoming less available due to HB demand, so maybe now is the time to change. Sell off cornies now while the price is good and trade in for sankey type kegs?

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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by Belter » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:16 pm

I only just looked at the dimensions. Am i right in thinking you can get two of these in a fridge? If so I'd be very interested I assumed they were the same width but squashed down as a normal keg

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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by BeerBloke » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:27 pm

Hmm, this is quite a complex prospect in my view.

As has been already mentioned a keg with the 2" fitting regardless of size is designed for bright, yeast free, sterile beer. Because of this they can be cleaned 'blind' i.e. they are rinsed, causic'd, rinsed, then sterilised with steam under pressure.

I've originally used kegs form my homebrew over 10 years ago., This was due to me having a 90bbl setup. I had no end of issues with cleaning the kegs to a level that I was sure was 100% Nothing beats the ability to be able to stick your arm in and give something a scrub. As a commercial brewer most of our beers go into cask but it's very rare for a beer to me sat in one for more than say 6 weeks and with a reasonably quick turnaround we get them back before the sh!t sticks. Not always, we have a heap here that will require a long hot caustic soak and a lot of work with the pressure washer to get them clean again.

As we do more and more 'craft keg' here we will be switching to the disposable Petainer kegs at around £8 each purely for simplicity and not having to worry about where they go. Now I know £8 a pop for homebrew adds up to the £60 for a keg pretty soon but from my experience it's a safer option.

It's just a shame Britvic shipped all those cornies to the US back in the 90's I was fortunate to get a load from one of their depots back then.

Now if someone want to fit a sankey fitting to a corny lid, I've seen these in use in Canada, now that might be of use. At least commercially but with a sankey fitting you can't stack the kegs once they're connected as easily as you can with a corny.
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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by dean_wales » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:47 pm

Matt12398 wrote:I just took a look at the thread on the other forum and Vossy mentioned cornies direct from Cornelius. They are out of stock though which is of no help whatsoever but it says more will be coming back in..

http://www.corneliusukonline.com/en/ECo ... -Tank.aspx
Just in case anyone else is considering waiting for the above this is the reply I received when enquiring.
Cornelius UK wrote: Good Morning

Unfortunately this isn’t a part we will be getting back in stock, it is now obsolete with no replacement

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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by barneey » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:24 pm

OMG now Cornelius are saying their kegs are obsolete :shock: :lol: :-$ :-#
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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by Belter » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:00 pm

I thought they always were?

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Re: 20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

Post by darkonnis » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:17 pm

i too was under this impression...

Ah well, this group buy is VERY NEARLY a go anyway. look at the poll results! Nearly 20 people, if we have to buy 100, thats only 5 each and if you sell your cornies you are there, or there abouts on the money with a lot more scope for expansion :D

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