SEYMOUR DOUBLE BREWDAY JAVELINA ESB & THIS LITTLE PIGGY MILD

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SEYMOUR DOUBLE BREWDAY JAVELINA ESB & THIS LITTLE PIGGY MILD

Post by seymour » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:21 am

…being a frustrating brewday thread, resulting in an unplanned parti-gyle solution.

April 26, 2014. This concept began as a Ringwood Old Thumper clone. My brother-in-law, also a brewer, once lived down the lane from Ringwood Brewery and still fondly remembers their brews. I blame him for my English ale obsession, so I wanted to brew some payback. Forum member Monkeybrew generously mailed me some Ringwood dual-strain yeast, which he received directly from the brewery. I loosely followed the Old Thumper grainbill and hop varieties, but snuck in several Americanized tweaks. Hence the name Javelina, get it?

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More credit where credit's due: Mike C-Z shared the rye malt and rare Belma hops. Ehren from Schlafly shared the Yakima Challenger hops. Dylan from The Civil Life shared the English amber malt. Uncle Joshua shared the Australian Mauri yeast I used for the second-runnings. Talk about a collaboration brew…it pays to have brewer friends!

I got a late start, but still needed to finish-up in time for evening plans, so I rushed and made some stupid mistakes. I got a terrible efficiency because I didn't raise to a proper sparge temperature, sparged way too fast, and discovered a leak in my boil kettle…so my ESB only hit 1051 instead of the targeted 1057. That's the bad news. Unwilling to go down without a fight, I attempted to salvage the left-behind fermentable sugars, by stirring-in more specialty ingredients, mashing and sparging again while the ESB boiled, in order to make a smaller Dark Mild from the second-runnings. This is probably the closest I've dabbled to a traditional parti-gyle process, and I freely admit the math bewilders me. The good news is I squeezed-out two batches and still kept my time commitments. I'm equally excited about both resulting beers.
SEYMOUR JAVELINA ESB
5.5 US gallons = 4.6 Imperial gallons = 22.7 Liters (adjusted for loss)

GRAINBILL
85% = 10.2 lbs = 4.63 kg, Malting Company of Ireland Stout Malt
6% = .72 lb = 327 g, Muntons CaraMalt
5% = .6 lb = 272 g, Rye Malt
3% = .36 lb = 163 g, Crisp Pale Chocolate Malt
1% = .12 lb = 54 g, Torrified Wheat
+ Rice Hulls to prevent stuck sparge, and a pinch of Calcium Carbonate (chalk)
Total = 12 lbs/5.44 kg

MASHED 60 min around 154°F/68°C (relatively high, but in my experience, this Ringwood yeast is extremely attenuative)

HOPS
1 oz = 28 g, Yakima-grown Wye Challenger, First Wort Hops
.3 oz = 8.5 g, Yakima-grown Belma, First Wort Hops
.5 oz = 14 g, UK Wye Progress, 15 min remaining
.6 oz = 17 g, Yakima-grown Belma, at flame-out
.5 oz = 14 g, UK Wye Progress, at flame-out

BOIL vigorously, uncovered 60 minutes, added wort chiller and Irish Moss at 15 minutes remaining. Afterwards, I Ditch-drilled the hell outta it before pitching.

YEAST
Ringwood Brewery
proprietary dual-strain, which originally came from Hull Brewery, possibly Samuel Webster before that. NOT the same yeast as the single-strain Wyeast 1187. Fermented ≈ 69°F/20.6°C. Bring-on the esters!

APPROXIMATE STATS: (terrible 63% efficiency, how embarrassing!)
OG: 1051 (reduced from the desired 1057)
FG: 1009
ABV: 5.5%
IBU: 50
COLOUR: 11°SRM/22°EBC, deep orange amber

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Javelina mash

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Javelina sparge

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Prepping the hops

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Waiting on the boil

See that handy-dandy thermometer and sight-gauge I added? Yeah cool, except I didn't seat the silicone washer correctly or something, because there was a steady leak throughout the boil. Aaarrrgh! Tightening the inside nut didn't fix the problem, so I had to just cut my losses and trudge on. I'll have to fix and test it another day. Geez, Seymour, didn't you test it ahead of time? I know, I know…rookie mistake.

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That's my cat Max, apparently keeping lookout for boil-overs.

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I used my equipment a little differently this time. After flame-out, and allowing the last hop addition to steep awhile, I racked into this separate kettle for chilling. Meanwhile, I racked the second batch of wort right into the bigger kettle to quickly resume boiling. This saved a lot of time, as opposed to chilling the entire big kettle, then waiting for the whole thing to heat back up to a boil.

Oh well, like I said, I tried to make the best of a bad situation by quickly cobbling-together a parti-gyle Mild Ale recipe.
SEYMOUR THIS LITTLE PIGGY MILD, get it?
3 US gallons = 2.5 Imperial gallons = 11.4 Liters

GRAINBILL: to the aforementioned grainbed, I stirred-in
4 oz = 113 g, Thomas Fawcett Amber Malt
7 oz = 198 g, Quick-Cook Steel-Cut Oats
2.4 oz = 68 g, Muntons Black Barley

I allowed more mash time, then drained a little wort into a sauce pan with 14 oz = 397 g Organic Brown Sugar, added a few drops of lime juice, and boiled an improvised dark invert syrup, which I eventually added to the main boil. I hope these molasses/black liqourice/toffee notes will help differentiate it from the tamer first ESB batch.

BOILED: 60 minutes
Here's another trick I learned on this forum: I left all the hops from the previous batch in the boil kettle, and racked this new wort on top, assuming the late aroma additions still have some bittering alpha acids to give. I added Irish Moss at 15 minutes remaining. At flame-out, I added 1 oz = 28 g Sorachi Ace hops, covered and let steep awhile. I immediately started picking-up some lemongrass/lime leaf/coconut milk/green curry type aromas. Very cool. Clearly, this is gonna be hoppier than most modern English Mild Ales.

Once chilled, aerated, and racked to a 3 gallon carboy, I pitched Mauribrew Weiss dry yeast. I love the well-rounded body and mouthfeel this leaves in my milds. Also fermented ≈ 69°F/20.6°C. I'm curious to taste a Ringwood-fermented mild too, but didn't have another starter ready.
  • IF CONVERTED TO A NON-PARTI-GYLE RECIPE, MAYBE:
    50.5% Stout Malt
    10% Unmalted Oats
    6% Amber Malt
    3.5% CaraMalt
    3.5% Black Malt
    3% Rye Malt
    2% Pale Chocolate Malt
    .7% Torrified Wheat
    20.8% Brown Sugar, made into Invert Syrup
    + Rice Hulls

    Early hops: Challenger, Progress, Belma
    Late hops: Sorachi Ace

APPROXIMATE STATS:
OG: 1040 (which seems to indicate the grains still had ≈ 20% of their sugars left?! Groan.)
FG: 1010
ABV: 3.9%
IBU: ≈30?
COLOUR: very dark reddish brown

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Making the brown sugar invert syrup

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Ready to pitch the yeast

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Both batches were actively fermenting within a couple hours. Woo hoo, it worked!

Thanks again to everyone who contributed, I'm looking forward to sharing these beasts.

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Post by Clibit » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:27 am

Hey, Seymour, leave them citrus fruits alone! (All in all they're just a minor tweak in the boil).

Very intrigued by the mild, sounds strangely wonderful. Rye/Sorachi Ace/Mauribrew Weiss. I'm going to need to taste that. Somehow! Or your descriptive powers need to be fully connected when you taste it.

Not come across that stout malt, what is that all about, does it all travel west from Ireland?

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Post by seymour » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:58 am

Cheers, Clibit!

Ha! That citrus thing is becoming a running joke isn't it? Seriously though, there's no actual fruit in these recipes. I simply used a few drops of lime juice to produce Inverted Sugar Syrup, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_sugar_syrup

The water, citric acid, and heat create a chemical reaction causing sucrose to split into glucose and fructose, which are more efficiently fermented by the yeast. It wasn't enough lime juice to contribute any citrus flavour or sourness, it's just happens to be a convenient acid in my fridge. But if that threatens your manhood, Cream of Tartar is an alternative catalyst. :) Also, when I wrote "lime leaves", I meant the Sorachi Ace and caramelized sugars smelled similar, that's all.

With regards to MCI Stout Malt, it's only recently available round here, and my first time using it. Supposedly, they've supplied prominent Irish stout breweries for many generations. Here's an excerpt from ‎ their commercial description PDF: https://www.brewbrothers.biz/product_in ... t_Malt.pdf
1.5-2°L. Hailing from Cork, Ireland, Malting Company of Ireland has made high-quality malts since 1858. MCI started as Beamish and Crawford's floor maltings operation, and has since expanded into a cutting edge, high quality malting operation, blending heritage, quality, and character into a potent triumvirate.

Irish Stout Malt is characterized by plump, round kernels with very low protein and high extract. Low kilning temperatures mean a very pale wort with high enzyme levels. While usually used in Irish stouts, it is at home in any style calling for an English-type pale malt. This malt's tendency to be very pale and very high in enzymes means it is well suited to adjunct-laden worts, such as the classic dry Irish stout grist.

I assure you, the poor efficiency here was my own stupid fault. Mike C-Z with whom I split this grainbag, formulated his recipe using typical Maris Otter stats, and he achieved an original gravity 9 points higher than expected! The Civil Life brewers used it for their Irish-style stout, and they got a surprisingly high efficiency as well. I highly recommend tracking some down. I'm planning to use the rest of mine in a porter, taking more care with my mash in order to get the most out of it. But then again, I ended-up with two batches of decent strength beer without adding more base malt, which is pretty impressive too.

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Post by timbo41 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:19 am

Yes! Yes! Hop re-use.!! Vindication ....The recipe guru has done it so there!!!
Very cool brewday..., but does show how difficult it is to work out those second runnings.
Means the small beer is an intuitive design...true seat of pants.
Love it...incidentally, fwh? Your personal rationale. I find fwh, or indeed a large hop charge later, gives a smoother bittering...the analogy( poor) that comes to mind is aged Bourbon vs two year old hypermarkets " spirit"!
Just like trying new ideas!

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Post by Clibit » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:37 pm

I do understand what the lime juice was for, sorry. I just have a tendency to mess about, I'm afraid. I might stick to cream of tartar though. :-) (More silliness, sorry).

I will keep an eye out for the stout malt. One of my recent orders came from HBC in Athlone, but I don't think they have it. Maybe I'll suggest it.

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Post by seymour » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:13 pm

Oh I know, keep it up! :) I was just clarifying for the group. Cheers!

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Post by Normski » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:01 pm

Hi Seymour

So when you re use hops its Ok. But when someone else does it, it is not Best Practice eh.

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Post by seymour » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:35 pm

Normski wrote:So when you re use hops its Ok. But when someone else does it, it is not Best Practice eh.
Fair enough, fair enough, Normski. But that conversation was a long time ago, and I continuously learn a lot from these forums too. If I offended you back then, I apologize. Above all, I think everyone should brew what they want, however they want.

I still don't know if I'd consider reusing hops the "best practice" but this scenario seemed the perfect chance to give it a try. I had a new packet of hops ready to go, but as I thought through the steps of dumping out 3 oz of hops, many of which were barely boiled, then immediately turn around and dump-in fresh ones, the notion seemed silly. Which, is apparently something you've known all along, so I stand corrected. At this point, my only remaining fear is that my Mild will be delicious but unrepeatable. :)

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Post by Clibit » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:28 pm

"At this point, my only remaining fear is that my Mild will be delicious but unrepeatable."

That will be very frustrating. :-)

However! One of the joys of homebrewing is that you only ever have so many bottles of a beer. Once they're gone, they're gone! Move on, and find the next moment of alchemy! (with some new info from that experience). Well, I've never made two batches the same!

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Post by john luc » Tue May 06, 2014 10:42 pm

As regards to MCI Stout malt I can attest to its quality. Here in Ireland this company has had a change of attitude to Home brewing as they are a small malster who mostly produce distillers malt but also Lager,Ale and Stout malt in smaller quantity's. When we first tried to deal with them it was "do you have a 20 ton lorry then ye can drop by so" :roll: . But as they only sell the Ale malt to the US home brew market the penny dropped that home brewers have money to spend and now we are their best friends with detailed visits to look at how its done =D> . The Lager malt goes to Heineken in Cork for Heineken,Murphy's and Beamish production and the Stout malt for Guinness. Low protein is a Guinness demand that has the Farmers not too happy because it creates lower resistance to crop disease but better extract. (and profit for the Diageo masters :evil:). Because it is so good regarding being super enzyme charged it can convert raw barley with rumours of up to 40% used in the mash. Cheap as chips. :wink:
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Post by seymour » Tue May 06, 2014 11:22 pm

Great commentary, john luc. I'm very glad to learn all that.
john luc wrote:...Because it is so good regarding being super enzyme charged it can convert raw barley with rumours of up to 40% used in the mash...
Holy crap! I knew Guinness' adjunct usage was high, but I had no idea it went that high.

john luc, what mash temperature and duration do you suppose would be ideal for that kind of efficiency?

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Post by Clibit » Tue May 06, 2014 11:57 pm

John luc - any idea how I can get hold of the stout malt in England?

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Post by seymour » Wed May 07, 2014 1:41 am

The ESB is still burpin' away in the basement, but last night I bottled the Mild batch.

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22 bottles: twelve 12oz and 10 assorted big ones. I prefer the big ones.
When I'm drinking Mild, I want to fill the glass several times, y'know? Oh who am I kidding, that goes for any beer.

Just for the fun of it, I made a third mini-batch from this brewday: Cranberry Mild
I took 1/2 gallon of unfermented wort, blended it with 1 lb of cranberries, and pitched Champagne yeast.
Can you believe that colour? It smelled amazing too.

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Post by seymour » Wed May 07, 2014 2:11 am

Yeah, I couldn't stand the wait, so I cracked a bottle of mild. Young and a little rough, but definitely tasty and definitely hoppy.

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What's that in the mini greenhouse, you ask? Oh nothing. Just a few Sorachi Ace greenwood cuttings I'm hoping take root, that's all. :)

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Post by Clibit » Wed May 07, 2014 10:26 am

Rockin in the Free World! Some top notch tinkering there Mr Seymour.

The cranberry champagne mild sounds as fascinating as the Little Piggy mild. I bet it will be lovely.

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