The Bread Maker

[dean_wales]

Sorry, scrap that I was looking at older info on the Brauduino / Lae / Matho product. I need to read and watch some more before I decide!

[barneey]

also there is the stc1000p hack which uses the cooling relay as a pump controller
though like barneey I went for a lael controller too after a few years of not quite finishing off my own arduino solutions (neat boxing is an art/skill i don't posses)

is Lael aka Matho??? i suspect they are both one and the same chap from looking at their code ??????????????????

Nope Matho was the original member / control panel board, Lael took on the project / continued the project.

Sorry, scrap that I was looking at older info on the Brauduino / Lae / Matho product. I need to read and watch some more before I decide!

With the support / number of units being made for members on the Aussie site its bound to be a success.

[Fil]

thanks for clearing up that lil bit of miss-info...

[Waffty]

I made up a Lael unit, well short of putting it in the box but bailed as the sum of the parts to rival a complete BM20/BM50, left me thinking, I could spend x amount of time and money on my own setup or simply pay the extra to get a complete item, with it's excellent aftermarket support.

I still haven't given up,on the open source alternative, as in theory, with a BM50, a simple change of cables etc I should be able to retro fit the Lael controller to my BM50 should the need ever arise.

I do love the idea of a 'breadmaker' but sadly neither have the time, the space, the tooling or (currently) the inclination to build my own setup but from my limited experiences of my BM50, it's deffo the direction I see my brewing going, so simple, elements of time saving and a lot less to clean up afterwards. In addition, I also get the option to experiments with more complex brews, where stepped mashing profiles are required.

For what it's worth, the Lael unit was easy enough to solder up, if you're familiar with a soldering iron.

[dean_wales]

Barneey,

Has it been a year you have been waiting for one to ship or is there another reason for the delay.

I am almost convinced enough to pull the trigger but it is just a bit expensive in my eyes. It does make the original braumeister seem like less of a rip off though, especially with their new fancy controller unit.

Dean.

[barneey]

Barneey,

Has it been a year you have been waiting for one to ship or is there another reason for the delay.

I am almost convinced enough to pull the trigger but it is just a bit expensive in my eyes. It does make the original braumeister seem like less of a rip off though, especially with their new fancy controller unit.

Dean.

You would need to ask Lael the reason, but from what I can ascertain it was still in development / waiting for things to get made.

I have learnt today that the wifi add-on for the BM is likely to be another £100.00.

To put things in perspective to make a clone 50L unit doesn't cost that much more than building a 20 (25l) unit. If you just wanted a 20 unit it might just be easier to buy one new, I did actually own a 20l BM but sold it to make a 50L unit to my own specification. If at the time I had known it would have taken a year + to make I might have had other thoughts.

[themadhippy]

whats so special lael controller? Ardunios will drive an ssr direct,various plug in boards are available to control motors,or diy with simple relay and transistor, adding temperature sensors, display and control buttons is Widely documented and very simple ,about the hardest bit is the actual code,and most of that can be borrowed from other peoples project,or with a bit of research written from scratch

[Andy]

Code Monkeys are available on here

[barneey]

whats so special lael controller? Ardunios will drive an ssr direct,various plug in boards are available to control motors,or diy with simple relay and transistor, adding temperature sensors, display and control buttons is Widely documented and very simple ,about the hardest bit is the actual code,and most of that can be borrowed from other peoples project,or with a bit of research written from scratch

It is a purpose made unit for the job using mostly off the shelf items & is priced very reasonable, again if I had had known about the wait I would have built something by now.

[dean_wales]

Wow, that is a right pain Barneey! My experience with BrewPi and other forum/developer led projects like this is to double and lead time and then add a bit It does still seem a good bet though.

Lael just told me that it is only the heat sinks he is waiting on now, pretty much everything else in hand. They are in production as we speak apparently and he expects to ship in a month.

Incidentally Davide at Open Ardbir told me that they are working on a fully assembled and enclosed unit for the new year that would surpass Lael's one. Again a hefty pinhc of salt needed and to my mind the display and functionality would be a little old in the tooth by then.

If I could create a smart case myself I would go DIY but the Lael Brauduino case just fits the BM clone so very well. Is there an easy way to add/print labels like that to an enclosure at home? I have half the components already in the spares box and could pick up the board cheaply.

I was running some numbers earlier though and was surprised how much it all adds up to clone the BM properly. It does seem as though it is much more worthwhile to build a 50L than 23L, which is fine by me. The costs aren't much different although it is less of an issue if you are just making some cobbled together BIAB number without a full control unit.

One thing that is bothering me is the taller nature of the BM and the wider shallower nature of standard stockpots. The 30 gallon Brewtech pots look better in many ways being taller, but it seems overkill to use on of those and they ain't cheap! Etched volumes internally would be very useful though. It might be good to put together a fully priced and itemized parts list here for discussion, based on Barneeys one earlier in the thread perhaps?

I have yet to hear from Mr Lard about 100L stockpots as an option.

With the BM change and the cost of touchscreen so low now, most users will be starting to want something flashier and more connected to the internet of things in 2016.

Dean.

[barneey]

Work out where to get a Malt Tube from first and work from there, Scotia made my original one up to the same dims as a 20L BM unit, my the latest build however uses the original items from a 50L BM unit so the pot has to match the dynamics of the MT to get the flows correct, easier to clone than re invent.

Would a lael type build allow for a colour touch screen in the future???? maybe / maybe not but at least you would have all the barebones to use again, rather than shelling out ££££ on a commercial unit replacement.

[arzaman]

[quote="dean_wales"][quote="barneey"]I have simply swapped it out for 2 of the BM style pumps.
Still need to test out the system but am still awaiting the control panel.
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EDIT: Looks like the Open Ardbir project is the most alive and accesible one. Seems to replicate most of the original BM functionality (not the new one) and costs 69 euro for the bare bones system without the SSR and sensor etc, 89 euros with them. Facebook page [url=https://www.facebook.com/OpenArdBir]here[/url]and purchase page [url=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1QMAHof ... rm?c=0&w=1]here[/url].

Dean.[/quote]

Hi Guys and HB friends
I'm Davide from Italy memeber of the Open ArdBir team
I'm new in the forum and I'm quite happy you have already discovered the project that is worldwide spread (more than 1400 fan on our FB page)
Open Ardbir is largely inspired by the original project formerly Braudino from Stephen Mathison and then upgraded and modified by Mike Wilson under the Mike’s Brewery appellation and is been completely reviewed by Max Nevi and Italian team (Alessio, Davide, Luciano, Luigi, Piero, Savio)
Lot of enachement and new features have been introduced and currently is the mosta adavanced options to manage single vessel BIAB/RIMS system

Since we have lot of request we have engineered a dedicate HW board “all in one” based on AtMega328 and we have asked a local manufacturer a small batch production sold at price cost

as soon as I gain right to post link and photos I will open an official thread with all details !
stay tuned
Davide

[dean_wales]

At the moment I am intending to use a 50L pot, with the base cut for out, for the malt tube. I am going to ask some local fabricators to quote though if hey are interested - it would be much neater to have an actual tube rather a butchered pot. My only concern is that the internal profile needs to be a totally uniform circle, for the full length, for the laser cut perforated filter plates to fit and move perfectly. The tolerances would be quite fine and the weld/join would need to be pretty perfect. Doesn't help with the 'would you be able to knock me up one of these' approach!!

Are you able to share how much you paid Scotia for your 23L and/or he would indicate likely costs for a 50L? I might be interested.

I can't seem to find the actual BM 50L pipes for sale online, just the shortened ones.

I can't see an upgrade path for the Brauduino to match the new BM control unit. I would expect to have to replace it completely.

With the Brauduino being Spark compatible using the shield (it comes with a ready made network activity LED hole on the fascia), I can forsee a wireless internet enabled version coming out long before a colour touch screen.

If that happens I could pull the Spark core from my BrewPi, replace it with the new photon and then put that into the controller.

Lots of details to finalise (not least who or how I will make the stand/base section) but after extensive reading I'm completely sold on the concept.

The big rig can continue to be used in anger this summer though!

Dean.

[arzaman]

Give a chance to Open ArdBir...
If your idea is single vessel BIAB/RIMS it perfecly fits the scope and much more powerful and flexible than "competitors"...

Davide

[mojonojo]

the Brauduino runs ArdBir - I love it