TT Landlord Clone v7!

[laithclark]

Following the success of the version 6 of this brew I felt there was some more work required to refine it for my taste rather than getting closer to the real thing. I think when I get to v8 that will be me down with this recipe and I will be happy to brew it as it is from there on in. It's a great brew and everyone who drinks it loves it including me, in fact it's one of the brews I never tire of drinking even in its 7th version! Note I call my TTL Clone - Number 1 Pale Ale!

A few changes this time, first an upping of the IBU, then a change of volume for the aroma steep and hop tea. Lastly this brew was the start of an ongoing change to my process and that was to drop the PolyClar Plus from the secondary phase. Having done it on a few brews now I can't tell the difference. Find the recipe and more here http://bit.ly/1PgLKfI

[orlando]

Do you treat the water at all?

[laithclark]

Do you treat the water at all?

Yes I always treat my water, although that is not on the brew sheet. I had a test done by Murphys and follow that for adjustment for the area I live in for Pale Ales.

I add DLS to the Mash and CRS to all liquor used for the Mash and to top up the boil if required.

[SMASH3R]

A quick questions if I may:

How do you make your hop tea?
Do you use a French coffee press?
How much water do you use?
At what temperature is the water, and for how long?

Thank you!

SMASH3R

[orlando]

Do you treat the water at all?

Yes I always treat my water, although that is not on the brew sheet. I had a test done by Murphys and follow that for adjustment for the area I live in for Pale Ales.

I add DLS to the Mash and CRS to all liquor used for the Mash and to top up the boil if required.

What do you end up brewing with and does it match up to the TTL water?

[laithclark]

Do you treat the water at all?

Yes I always treat my water, although that is not on the brew sheet. I had a test done by Murphys and follow that for adjustment for the area I live in for Pale Ales.

I add DLS to the Mash and CRS to all liquor used for the Mash and to top up the boil if required.

What do you end up brewing with and does it match up to the TTL water?

The TTL water will be very soft, I grew up near there and it is a very soft water area but they have their own well which I am sure is different again. The local water here in the Cotswolds is rock hard and the Murphy's additions give you a 'Burtonised' profile for Pale Ale. Whilst not the right water or profile it still gives a good end result, the hard water when I did extract brew with it left a very astringent taste to the beer, in my opinion.

[laithclark]

A quick questions if I may:

How do you make your hop tea?
Do you use a French coffee press?
How much water do you use?
At what temperature is the water, and for how long?

Thank you!

SMASH3R

Hi Smasher

No problem. I have written a 'How to Guide' about this which you can get here: http://www.thehomebrewdiaries.co.uk/how-to-guides/.

The bottom line is I keep it simple. I boil bottled water, about 300ml for 20g of hops. Cool to 80 degrees and steep the hops for 30 mins then strain into a sterilised jug and add to the beer prior to bottling

Hope that helps
Cheers

[orlando]

The TTL water will be very soft, I grew up near there and it is a very soft water area but they have their own well which I am sure is different again. The local water here in the Cotswolds is rock hard and the Murphy's additions give you a 'Burtonised' profile for Pale Ale. Whilst not the right water or profile it still gives a good end result, the hard water when I did extract brew with it left a very astringent taste to the beer, in my opinion.

I was interested to know what information you based it on. Wallybrew did an analysis and found the bottled version contained 283ppm chloride and 153ppm sulphate suggesting the brewing liquor contained 131ppm and 102ppm respectively, the rest coming from the malt. It came as a surprise to me and many others I'm sure, as there is a tendency to view Bitters/Pale Ales as being sulphate forward. The conclusion to draw is that if you are trying to clone this then this adjustment might help as the Murphy's stuff is a fixed ratio supporting the prevailing view. If you adjust using hard acid and or salts you could get closer.

[Hanglow]

That's interesting

Has Wallybrew done analysis of other beers?

[orlando]

That's interesting

Has Wallybrew done analysis of other beers?

Quite probably, you will have to ask him. I know he carries out a service that analyses your own beer. Worth it if you have a really good one that you would like to replicate. Some of the results can be very surprising, most notably that whatever you think it is, or your brewing software says it will be, you're both likely to be wrong.

[laithclark]

The TTL water will be very soft, I grew up near there and it is a very soft water area but they have their own well which I am sure is different again. The local water here in the Cotswolds is rock hard and the Murphy's additions give you a 'Burtonised' profile for Pale Ale. Whilst not the right water or profile it still gives a good end result, the hard water when I did extract brew with it left a very astringent taste to the beer, in my opinion.

I was interested to know what information you based it on. Wallybrew did an analysis and found the bottled version contained 283ppm chloride and 153ppm sulphate suggesting the brewing liquor contained 131ppm and 102ppm respectively, the rest coming from the malt. It came as a surprise to me and many others I'm sure, as there is a tendency to view Bitters/Pale Ales as being sulphate forward. The conclusion to draw is that if you are trying to clone this then this adjustment might help as the Murphy's stuff is a fixed ratio supporting the prevailing view. If you adjust using hard acid and or salts you could get closer.

HI Orlando

I hadn't really considered moving forward further than the standard Murphys analysis of my water but the beer analysis is interesting, thanks for the info so I may well contact Wallybrew for more info and see how to adjust my water for the TT water and then see the difference

[Barley Water]

Your work on making a good clone is very impressive. I guess I am just lazy but I view making clones of commercial beers as just a starting point as I almost always start screwing with the recipes and sometimes my brewing processes. I'm a big fan of Fuller's and I like to make beers similar to their ESB, Best Bitter and Porter. There is no way I go through the year without making the Best Bitter at least a couple of times and if I get anywhere near the Porter well I admit to getting just a little crazy. Anyhow, I started using the recipes in the Wheeler book (every one I have made came out great by the way; he knows his stuff) but after a couple of iterations I always find myself trying to accentuate qualities in the beer that I particularly enjoy. I always felt that as home brewers we have a fantastic advantage over the "for profit guys" because we can do stuff to the beer that is not necessarily efficient from a business standpoint but makes for better tasting beer. We are in the middle of our big contest over here right now and to win frankly the entries need to be at least on par with the stuff you can buy. Besides making technically good beer though I feel it also needs to be somewhat unique otherwise you just won't do well so that is way I like to play around; plus of course it's fun.

[mbarn]

Impressive dedication. I'm just brewing the BrewUk TT Landlord clone.

[laithclark]

Impressive dedication. I'm just brewing the BrewUk TT Landlord clone.

I have brewed the extract recipe pack and that was a tasty pint, I haven't brewed the AG version but lots of people on here have and it has good reviews

[mbarn]

Good to hear. It was the AG version with instructions for the Braumeister. Hit the OG perfectly. Looking forward to sampling.