Saison recipe

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by serum » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:29 pm

McMullan wrote:In terms of 'recipes', any notion there was any standardisation, traditionally or otherwise, is bollocks. Brewers made do with whatever they could lay their hands on locally. The yeast is the driver for the Saison style. Fermented properly, it transforms the blandest of bases into something pleasantly 'Saison'. The genuine yeast strain(s) adds most of the character for this style.
I doubt there was any standardisation of yeast either. Again they'd have used whatever was to hand.

It's a beer made for storage and from what I've read higher hopping was the common factor not the yeast.

Yeast is now the benchmark but that's quite recent.

I think that's down to dupont being one of the last remaining beers called a saison when the Americans found out about it. That made them think of it as the definitive product.

As i understand it the brewery was about to can it. Many of the new saison brewers like Fantome and blaugies export nearly all their beers. You don't see them in Belgium.

In a way the US craft beer movement saved saison as we know it now but has also changed it into something completely different.

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by daf » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:07 am

Higher hopping would be for preservation from microbes?

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by McMullan » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:16 am

In terms of hops, I prefer a Saison with low IBUs and a little flavour (Saaz, EKG or a similar European variety). I had a commercial 'Saison' last night. A Haandbryggeri 'Indian Saison'. A nice beer, but more like an English IPA with American hops. No detectable 'Saison' character! Probably fermented with a trendy American ale strain. :lol:

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by daf » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:40 pm

I expect Norwegian brewers can get away with any old rubbish up there. It's like £10 a pint for Fosters!

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by daf » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:41 pm

My current saison is stewing away at 28c in the brew chamber. I put some Orval dregs in it a few days ago and the smell has definitely developed a little away from the usual Belle Saison. Can't wait to test it!

I'll give it another fortnight though before bottling.

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Re: Saison recipe

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by TheSumOfAllBeers » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:28 pm

If you can get a bit of tartness or Brett into a saison it is magical. The fact that they attenuate so well anyway, means that further non-yeast attenuation doesn't ruin the balance, low attenuation also puts an upper limit on the influence of the bugs in question.

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by daf » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:44 pm

There's definitely a couple of non-Sacch bubbles on the surface now!

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by McMullan » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:48 pm

daf wrote:I expect Norwegian brewers can get away with any old rubbish up there. It's like £10 a pint for Fosters!
[-X Brewers are well served in Norway these days. The only thing I struggle to get hold of is leaf hops. (I’d recommend Malt Miller to any Brewers in Norway wishing to use leaf hops.) There are some great breweries in Norway, Nøgne Ø, Haandbryggeriet, Ægir and, one of my latest favourites, Eiker Ølfabrikk. All evolved from home brew. Even the traditional ‘commercial breweries’ (pils brewers), like Aass and Hansa piss all over Fosters. Paying for beer in Norway is pretty crap, though, regardless of what’s printed on the bottle!

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by McMullan » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:51 pm

daf wrote:My current saison is stewing away at 28c in the brew chamber. I put some Orval dregs in it a few days ago and the smell has definitely developed a little away from the usual Belle Saison. Can't wait to test it!

I'll give it another fortnight though before bottling.
Nice 8) Did you let the temperature rise after vigorous primary?

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by daf » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:23 pm

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Re: Saison recipe

Post by Midlife » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:01 pm

The beer was a Gyle 59 Rye Expression... after reading I am heading for 3kg Belgian pale, 500g rye malt and some acid/wheat... no sure on the roasted barley, I want to add it but not sure how much. Will use a white labs saison yeast. some good stuff in this post, thanks.

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