English yeasts for American pales and IPAs

[Onthebrew]

Has anyone been brewing American ales with English yeasts and if so which ones have they found to work best. It seems many of the American craft breweries use English yeasts now so I am interested to find out more.

I have some wyeast West yorks ale that I want to harvest from an English pale ale and want to reuse it in an American ipa. If it’s not recommended I will use it for an esb.

[MTW]

Yes! WLP007 at the cool end (17C). Really good.

[jaroporter]

do you like the yeast flavours and performance from the west yorks and do you think they'd work well in an american beer? can't see why it wouldn't be recommended. depends what profile you're looking for. that's gonna be a little brewer specific too

[Onthebrew]

I will see how the west yorks comes out- first time ive used it. i guess i am looking for one that is going to sit well with all those american hops. may play safe and get some WLP007 or wyeast equivilent

[jaroporter]

there does seem to be a bit of a weird myth about using clean/neutral yeasts with american ipas. sure sometimes you might want that effect, but at the end of the day one hop is not that different to another hop and we've been using english yeasts with heavily hopped beers for centuries. guess my point is that i'd find it harder to come up with a yeast i wouldn't wanna use than one i would

[chrisbjones202]

Ive got a centennial/Cascade APA on tap made with 007 on the advice of MM. Turned out really good. I'm wipping up another starter for whatever I decide to do the weekend.

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[MTW]

I will see how the west yorks comes out- first time ive used it. i guess i am looking for one that is going to sit well with all those american hops. may play safe and get some WLP007 or wyeast equivilent

I'm sure I've read reports of wy1098 being a bit different to wlp007. More estery if I recall correctly, and a case of the 'equivalents' not being as close as you'd hope. I haven't used the 1098 to comment.

[Onthebrew]

Ok, i normally stick to wyeast as i like the smack packs- do you need to make a starter with white labs for a 1050 OG brew or can you just pitch it, the same as the smack packs?

[McMullan]

Always make a starter, unless it's a few days past production date.

[Sadfield]

WY1728/WLP028 Scottish (Edinburgh) Ale Yeast. Lovely full malty body and has zero negative influence on hop character.

[Onthebrew]

McMillan - don’t do starters anymore, never have dme around, never organised enough time wise and have had issues. I’d rather just pitch two, or reuse some slurry if available.

Sadfield, interesting is that your go to for American pales?

[Trefoyl]

WY1728/WLP028 Scottish (Edinburgh) Ale Yeast. Lovely full malty body and has zero negative influence on hop character.

I hate how so many American IPAs have little malt character to balance the hops.

[Onthebrew]

Think I am going to go with the 007 on James Morton’s disproportionally hopped session pale ale and then use the slurry for his much stronger undead pale ale. He mentions that yeast himself.

The west yorks slurry can go into a long planned spitfire clone if I can fit it in. ( have the tropical pale all ready and planned for this weekend so they are queuing up!)

Cheers for all the advice.

[Sadfield]

McMillan - don’t do starters anymore, never have dme around, never organised enough time wise and have had issues. I’d rather just pitch two, or reuse some slurry if available.

Sadfield, interesting is that your go to for American pales?

In a way, yes. I original got it to do a Shilling Ale for a Ron Pattinson event, and it inadvertently became a bit of a house yeast. I've used it on alsorts; American IPA, DIPAs, Stouts, Hoppy English Ales. I was inspired to play around with it, having this article from James Kemp (Ex Fullers, Thornbridge, Buxton, Marble), and how you can still brew hoppy beers without using US05.

http://www.port66.co.uk/yeast-brewing-m ... se-strain/

[Aaron]

McMillan - don’t do starters anymore, never have dme around, never organised enough time wise and have had issues. I’d rather just pitch two, or reuse some slurry if available.

Sadfield, interesting is that your go to for American pales?

In a way, yes. I original got it to do a Shilling Ale for a Ron Pattinson event, and it inadvertently became a bit of a house yeast. I've used it on alsorts; American IPA, DIPAs, Stouts, Hoppy English Ales. I was inspired to play around with it, having this article from James Kemp (Ex Fullers, Thornbridge, Buxton, Marble), and how you can still brew hoppy beers without using US05.

http://www.port66.co.uk/yeast-brewing-m ... se-strain/

What is wlp028 like for you in terms of reliability? I had it stall out in one of my scotch beers but then I didn't oxygenate before pitching.