Old english hop blend

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Old english hop blend

Post by sbond10 » Mon May 14, 2018 6:26 pm

Been given 100g of the bushel of hops old english hop variety any one got any recipes to use with them.

Got wuiete a few other english hops like fuggles challenger goldings and ekg and admiral. Plus sum keyworth mid

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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by HTH1975 » Mon May 14, 2018 7:49 pm

I’d just go simple and brew a bitter, or maybe an ESB. Go old school with Chevallier as base malt with just a bit of torrified wheat and a dash of light crystal. Use an ESB yeast and ferment cool to keep esters low so the hops shine.

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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by sbond10 » Mon May 14, 2018 10:19 pm

Maybe sum 20g of challenger to start then 25g each of goldings and this hop blend then maybe a further 25g each as a nolice little dry hop ?

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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by scuppeteer » Mon May 14, 2018 11:56 pm

Its a blend of 5 varieties. Two of these now come under the EKG banner (Cobb and Early Bird) so you could be getting these when you order EKG anyway. Fuggle speaks for itself. White Grape is no longer grown in any quantity, except at ABOH and my garden. And Mathon is probably the oldest commercial English hop.

So to compliment them brew a Bitter and just use Goldings or Fuggle to back it up. Try Windsor yeast.
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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by sbond10 » Tue May 15, 2018 7:34 am

So ehat youd use it to bitter the beervwith not challenger ?

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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by HTH1975 » Tue May 15, 2018 8:32 pm

sbond10 wrote:
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So ehat youd use it to bitter the beervwith not challenger ?
You’ll get very little hop character coming through from the first bittering addition, so Challenger is a good choice for this purpose. We use it for pretty much all our 1st additions at work.

I’d probably chuck EKG and Fuggles in at 30 mins then use your blended variety for your aroma additions at 5 mins, then leave to steep at flameout for 30 mins before chilling.

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Post by sbond10 » Tue May 15, 2018 10:30 pm

Yea just trying to work out weight i either go too much or too little

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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by scuppeteer » Wed May 16, 2018 12:49 am

sbond10 wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 7:34 am
So ehat youd use it to bitter the beervwith not challenger ?
Just thinking of keeping it historic, so use Golding or Fuggle to bitter with as well. :wink:
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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by jaroporter » Thu May 17, 2018 6:11 am

HTH1975 wrote:
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You’ll get very little hop character coming through from the first bittering addition
in an american ipa sure, but elsewhere you might be suprised. challenger especially for me i use to bitter for the flavour carryover
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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by HTH1975 » Thu May 17, 2018 8:09 pm

jaroporter wrote:
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HTH1975 wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:32 pm
You’ll get very little hop character coming through from the first bittering addition
in an american ipa sure, but elsewhere you might be suprised. challenger especially for me i use to bitter for the flavour carryover

Even in a bitter with 30 min and flameout additions I think you’ll be hard pushed to get any flavour difference from the bittering hops. You will get a difference in the type of bitterness for sure, but flavour - I very much doubt it. You might notice a small difference when only using a single hop addition and nothing more, but otherwise I’m not convinced.

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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by Good Ed » Fri May 18, 2018 11:16 pm

I've brewed with these twice now and they are predominantly floral with a bit of fruit, so I would keep a fairly simple pale malt bill and use them at the start and late. The two brews I've done were 1040 and 1045 both based on old AK/PA recipes using 77.5% pale, 10% invert, 7.5% flaked maize and 5% flaked barley (to give a bit of graininess from what would have been originally a proportion of 6 row). Just try to keep the delicateness of the hop flavour rather that mess it up with other additions, and 100g of hops will do just fine.

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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by sbond10 » Sun May 20, 2018 9:38 am

So a smash brew really then what weighrs did you use at start 20g or so ?

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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by Good Ed » Mon May 21, 2018 8:45 am

I'd use 50g at 90 mins, 25g at 15 mins and 25g post boil steep. The hops are probably around 4.5% AA.

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Re: Old english hop blend

Post by sbond10 » Mon May 21, 2018 10:49 am

Thinking summat like this then
4000g pale
250g carawheat
100g amber
100g torry wheat

50g at 90
25g at 15
25 at 0 for 20mins

Ferment with notts at 18c

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