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Shiny bottling gun

Post by Garth » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:38 pm

Ok, it's not quite a shiny conical but I being a bottle fan I splashed out at the weekend and got this and I'm very happy with it. It's loads easier than twatting about the way I used to bottle.

Although first results have been very good I wouldn't mind someone telling me I'm doing it right and any ways I can improve with it, as I may have been too excited when John at H&G was explaining the method. I seem to remember DaaB managing to bottle carbonated bright beer with a standard bottling stick a while back.

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I connected the gun and cornie up to the gas using a splitter running at about 10 psi, the beer was well chilled (5-10C) and was already quite carbonated, I connected the gun up to the black beer disconnect, pulled trigger and purged the line with beer into a 'vessel' and then pressed the gas release to purge oxygen out of the gas lines, then I bottled five or six bottles, letting the foam come out before capping them straightaway, popped a few bottles in the fridge for an hour, opened them and hey presto, bright carbonated beer, even with bubbles rising and everything....

the instructions recommend chilling the bottles befreo filling, I'll do this next time.

does the gun add more CO2 as the beer is going through it?

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Post by Garth » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:02 pm

thanks for the reply DaaB,

hmm, I'm not sure about it either, it's just the gun and the cornie need to be connected to gas, that's why I thought that.

if I chill the beer for longer, adding more and more CO2 as it gets dissolved will I end up with a highly carbonated bottle of beer?

mind you, the beer out of the bottle is excellent, just the right amount of carbonation for me, check it out

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btw i'm not going on the November course, too late, all spaces were filled quickly, so it looks like January.

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Post by Garth » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:25 pm

cheers DaaB, very pleased with this batch, cleared on it's own no probs, and I'm enjoying messing around with me new toy, it's been a while since I've had any new gear. I'm gonna chill the bottles for an hour or so next time and keep the beer even colder and we'll see what happens.

The course-filling took me by surprise too, but I've booked holidays in at work for January so I better get applying before they get snaffled up also.

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Post by Garth » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:09 pm

DaaB wrote:Maybe see you there (if I get my finger out :roll: ). Do you have any future plans brewery wise after the course ?
hmm, yes, but not exactly sure how to go about it at present without packing my current job in, my first thought was to get set up in the garage of me new gaff, get that licensed to brew, maybe just 1/2BBL, then if that takes off, start with a 2.5 or bigger in a unit somewhere

Amazingly I already have an order from Landlord for two different brews but annoyingly I daren't/won't supply him as I'm not licensed.....the thought has crossed my mind though :wink:

I may try giving one to the beer festival next year as this year's is almost upon us. I believe there is a way a homebrewer can 'donate' a firkin to a festival and the proceeds go to charity...?

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Post by Garth » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:30 pm

well, that's what I was thinking, getting it out there and known

there's a bloke who's brewery has been in the GBG several years running, he started off an enthusiastic hber, supplying festivals with a 1/4BBL (one firkin) plant in his kitchen and outhouse, he's now got a 2.5BBL in dedicated premises and looking to expand again.

that's the kind of success story I like, getting results without takes massive financial risks.

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Post by prodigal2 » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:49 pm

Testing the market and getting feedback without risking the dayjob seems a good way to start out Garth.
Sneaking in H&S training days as holiday days etc.
Also check the deeds on your house to see whether you can run a business from there, its something that can bite you in the arse, as a few of my friends can testify to.

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Post by Garth » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:50 pm

I know exactly where you're coming from, I've said to the wife whilst discussing this, if it does go all wrong, all you're left with a over-sized homebrewing kit, which can easily be sold on, I'm always reading about small breweries and where they got their gear from. I'll think I'll still start it off in the garage though, just to make sure.

You're right, I'd probably go with PBC, he seems the best bet.

hey Prod, that's my main reason for the garage business, and yes the deeds malarky will be getting looked into, like you say that would be a right shafting if that happened.

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Post by mysterio » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:56 pm

Is that the Blichmann beer gun?

I'd quite like something like that, i've always found it really hit or miss trying to get the right carbonation bottling from the tap.

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Post by Garth » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:04 pm

yeah, it's the Blichy one mysterio

I seem to have gotten the carbonation right first time but then it may be beginners luck....!

I well recommend it, bottling is a right chore but I thoroughly enjoyed using this

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Post by prodigal2 » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:07 pm

Garth wrote:I know exactly where you're coming from, I've said to the wife whilst discussing this, if it does go all wrong, all you're left with a over-sized homebrewing kit, which can easily be sold on, I'm always reading about small breweries and where they got their gear from. I'll think I'll still start it off in the garage though, just to make sure.

You're right, I'd probably go with PBC, he seems the best bet.

hey Prod, that's my main reason for the garage business, and yes the deeds malarky will be getting looked into, like you say that would be a right shafting if that happened.
All it takes is a neighbour with too much time on their hands, and wish to not see people improve their lot :roll:
Don't forget the dull stuff like method statements, risk assesments. Pointless and yet essential to a sole trader in the UK.
And a bit left of field, water(a tax deductable expence), that will be one you will need to look into(especialy if your on a meter) or you may want to see what your man from PBC has to say.

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Post by Garth » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:11 pm

you guessed right it's on a meter, and I did think about that, but not the other stuff, thanks Prod

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Post by niall » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:15 pm

I've got the beer gun too. It comes with a beer line and connector for a gas line. You connect the gun to the gas at the same time as the keg (I use a T adaptor). You need to reduce the serving pressure a bit if your beer has moderate to high carbonation but after that it's easy. I keep my keg in the fridge and pop the empty bottles into the freezer for half an hour before filling. This eliminates most of the foaming.

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Post by David Edge » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:32 pm

I've got the beer gun too. It comes with a beer line and connector for a gas line. You connect the gun to the gas at the same time as the keg (I use a T adaptor). You need to reduce the serving pressure a bit if your beer has moderate to high carbonation but after that it's easy. I keep my keg in the fridge and pop the empty bottles into the freezer for half an hour before filling. This eliminates most of the foaming.
My beer gun's never been out of the box because the early ones came with half of the bits missing and as soon as I read the instructions realised it was would never work anyway - you can't get 160 bottles in my freezer!

As far as I can tell from other users it is just for doing half a dozen bottles from a cornie for a special occasion rather than serious bottling. What fill times do people achieve with it?

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Post by niall » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:21 pm

I certainly wouldn't use it to fill 160 bottles :shock: There is an 'optional' accessory kit:
Beer Gun Accessory: This optional accessory kit provides everything you need to get your BeerGun up and running! A liquid ball-lock disconnect, a 5ft length of hose for your CO2 line with 1/4" stainless flare connectors on each end, one stainless 1/4" disconnect and stainless clamp (for the 10ft beer hose that comes with the BeerGun), and a brass 1/4" NPT X 1/4" flare adapter for connecting to the CO2 valve on the BeerGun. Requires a spare CO2 port and shutoff valve on your regulator.
You don't need this - the JG push fit connector that screws onto your gas disconnect will also screw onto the beer gun. The one thing they should include is a gas splitter. They recommend a Y splitter with a shutoff valve which would be better than my JG T splitter I suppose...



As far as I can tell from other users it is just for doing half a dozen bottles from a cornie for a special occasion rather than serious bottling.
That's what I use it for. I think the last time I used it I filled half a dozen bottles in 10 or 15 minutes but I'm all thumbs and it was only the third time I had used it.

On the US forums I've seen some people say they get through 40 bottles in half an hour or something of that order. They must practise a lot.

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Post by oxford brewer » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:43 am

David turned up at the Oxford Brewing groups tasting day with beer in a 2l pet bottle with one of those carbonation caps attatched so you can re gas from a corny style gas in connector.Looked pretty good for taking beer around with you(if you dont bottle that is).
Also I saw no sign of his fold up bike :lol: :lol:
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