AG#35 - Haunted Galleon (Ghost Ship v1)

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AG#35 - Haunted Galleon (Ghost Ship v1)

Post by Monkeybrew » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:17 am

I've been planning and talking about brewing an Adnams Ghost Ship clone for a couple of years now, and have now finally got around to brewing version 1 :oops:

Aim: To produce something close to the real thing and also to try and build some consistency into my brewing process on the Grainfather, because after 5 previous brews of varying styles and brewlengths, I still don't feel as though I can confidently hit my numbers yet. Coupled with this, the Grainfather recipe software has changed since I started using it May this year, so you now have to dial in a much higher efficiency value to achieve the same OG. Maybe this is all a marketing thing :-k because the same recipe when inputted into Brewmate, shows a drop of 7% in Brewhouse Efficiency.

Anyway, this brewday went well yesterday and as I was potentially expecting, I overshot my planned OG by 2 points, so there's the first adjustment for v2.

I know that to get the best match to the real beer, I should be using the Adnams yeast, but I have chosen to start with S-04 until I get somewhere near, because I find this yeast to be very reliable and I don't think that I have got the skills to confidently produce enough yeast from the dregs from a mini cask at this time.

I will update this post as the brew finishes and conditions.................

Haunted Galleon v1 (Adnams Ghost Ship Clone)
American Pale Ale

Brew Date 06.10.18

Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 23.0
Total Grain (kg): 5.000
Total Hops (g): 132.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.048 (°P): 11.9
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (°P): 3.1
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.72 %
Colour (SRM): 8.6 (EBC): 17.0
Bitterness (IBU): 35.2 (Tinseth)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70 (Grainfather software says 77%!)
Boil Time (Minutes): 60

Grain Bill
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4.500 kg Crisp Maris Otter Malt (90%)
0.250 kg Crisp Caramalt (5%)
0.250 kg Thomas Fawcett Crystal Rye Malt (5%)

Hop Bill
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12.0 g Columbus Leaf (16.8% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
40.0 g Amarillo Pellet (9.6% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (1.7 g/L)
20.0 g Amarillo Pellet (9.6% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Aroma) (0.9 g/L)
20.0 g Citra Pellet (11.2% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Aroma) (0.9 g/L)
40.0 g Citra Pellet (11.2% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (1.7 g/L)

Misc Bill
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1.0 g Calcium Chloride @ 60 Minutes (Mash)
5.0 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) @ 60 Minutes (Mash)
5.0 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) @ 60 Minutes (Boil)
3.0 g Irish Moss @ 15 Minutes (Boil)

Notes
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Water Profile - Graham Wheelers Dry Pale Ale
Untreated Alkalinity - 116.5ppm CaCO3
Treated Alkalinity - 25ppm CaCO3
AMS @0.45ml/L
Mash pH - 5.44 (22C)


Single step Infusion at 67°C for 60 Minutes.
Fermented at 20°C with Safale S-04


Recipe Generated with BrewMate


Cheers

MB
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Conditioning:
AG#41 - Vienna Lager - 5.6%
AG#42 - Heritage Double Ale - 10.5%

On Tap:
AG#44 - Harvest ESB - 5.4%

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by timbobist » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:04 pm

Nice one, keep us updated.👍
I brewed at the weekend using a similar grain bill to yours, but hopped with magnum then all citra for flavour and aroma.

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by chefgage » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:05 am

Interesting what you say about the change in the software with regards needing a higher efficiency value for same OG, cannot say i noticed that.

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by timbobist » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:41 pm

How's this coming along?

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by Monkeybrew » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:54 pm

timbobist wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:41 pm
How's this coming along?

It's going ok.

I only put the dry hops in 3 days ago, because I gave the brew a few more days for the gravity to drop bellow 1.014, but that didn't happen so it has finished a bit higher than anticipated.

The sample jar colour looked a bit darker than I think it should be, but I will do a side by side comparison with the real thing when it's ready to drink.

Both samples that I took, tasted mildy hoppy and I could definitely pick out the Amarillo, but I'm sure that the Citra will give it a bit of a kick when it's done.

Planning on kegged Thursday/Friday.

Cheers

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Conditioning:
AG#41 - Vienna Lager - 5.6%
AG#42 - Heritage Double Ale - 10.5%

On Tap:
AG#44 - Harvest ESB - 5.4%

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by WalesAles » Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:38 pm

Monkey,
You sound a bit down for this Beer?
C`mon Mun, shape up and reap the rewards.
I hope it turns out OK for you.

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by timbobist » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:00 pm

The citra will defiantly give it a boost

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by Monkeybrew » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:50 am

WalesAles wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:38 pm
Monkey,
You sound a bit down for this Beer?
C`mon Mun, shape up and reap the rewards.
I hope it turns out OK for you.

WA

Bottles sent to me will be `Taste Tested`.
Yeah suppose I am a bit, don't know why really, as I am planning to refine this brew over the next 12 months :roll:

Should be a decent beer whatever all going well.

Planning a Simcoe Porter next :twisted:

Cheers

MB
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Conditioning:
AG#41 - Vienna Lager - 5.6%
AG#42 - Heritage Double Ale - 10.5%

On Tap:
AG#44 - Harvest ESB - 5.4%

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by orlando » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:44 am

Bought a bottle of Adnams Tally Ho! the other day and noticed it was bottle conditioned, got a little excited, but thought I would check with the brewery whether this was the real deal or a bottling strain. Fergus very kindly replied saying it was a bottling strain as the real thing doesn't "sediment well". :cry: Just in case someone noticed this and thought aha! Adnams clone brews here we go. :D
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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by Monkeybrew » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:08 am

orlando wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:44 am
Bought a bottle of Adnams Tally Ho! the other day and noticed it was bottle conditioned, got a little excited, but thought I would check with the brewery whether this was the real deal or a bottling strain. Fergus very kindly replied saying it was a bottling strain as the real thing doesn't "sediment well". :cry: Just in case someone noticed this and thought aha! Adnams clone brews here we go. :D
Like a bit of Tally Ho!

I know the way to brew a proper clone, will be to use Adnams yeast, but I would rather keep the yeast side of things simple at this stage :)

This brew is heading for the keg and 10 x bottles very shortly.

I will report back with some pics once it is ready to drink :beer:

Cheers

MB
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Conditioning:
AG#41 - Vienna Lager - 5.6%
AG#42 - Heritage Double Ale - 10.5%

On Tap:
AG#44 - Harvest ESB - 5.4%

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by WalesAles » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:14 pm

timbobist wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:00 pm
The citra will defiantly give it a boost
timbo,
They defiantly will! :D

WA

Sorry, Could not resist. :D

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by Monkeybrew » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:05 pm

Hi,

I had a couple of pints of this brew from my keg last night after it had been conditioning for a little over 2 weeks.

The clarity is very poor from the keg, even though I used gelatin in the same way that I always do, and I also checked one of the bottles that have been indoors since bottling and they are just as cloudy. S-04 would have normally dropped clear in the bottle by now, so I am starting to wonder if I actually added the Irish Moss into the last 15mins of the boil :-k

That aside, it is a very moreish beer at the moment and I could have easily downed a couple more pints, but it was pi$$ing it down and my keggerator is in the garage which is a fair way from my house, so I decided to stay dry #-o The hop aroma and taste was very nice and the combo seemed to work well IMO, I think that the water profile has certainly helped here, as I sometimes struggle to get that hit I'm after, but I have never used this profile before, so definately something positve learned there.

The body seems a bit heavy and coupled with the strong flavour of the Crystal Rye, it's more like an Amber Ale (not a bad thing, but not what I'm after).

It certainly isn't anything near Adnams Ghost Ship, so I will make the following tweaks for the version 2 whenever that gets brewed -
  • The Crystal Rye is quite dominant in it's flavour and colour, so I will dial this back to 3%
  • I will also tweak the base malt back a little if required, to hit 1.046 OG
  • The mash temperature will go from 67C to 66C to help with a lower FG
  • I am going to leave the hop schedule as is, because I don't want to fiddle with too much in one go
  • The bittering seems a little high to my taste, so I will back this off a little too (maybe linked to the water profile?)
I will certainly enjoy drinking this beer and will look forward to planning v2 :)

Cheers

MB
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Conditioning:
AG#41 - Vienna Lager - 5.6%
AG#42 - Heritage Double Ale - 10.5%

On Tap:
AG#44 - Harvest ESB - 5.4%

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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon (Ghost Ship v1)

Post by WalesAles » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:08 pm

MB,
Buy one of these and you can nip back and fore the keggerator and enjoy your Beer! :D
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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon (Ghost Ship v1)

Post by Heron1952 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:10 am

Seem to remember for Ghostship, Motueka hops should be in there somewhere!!! Suppose Amarillo is sort of close though.
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Re: AG#35 - Haunted Galleon v1

Post by orlando » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:10 am

Monkeybrew wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:05 pm


That aside, it is a very moreish beer at the moment and I could have easily downed a couple more pints, but it was pi$$ing it down and my keggerator is in the garage which is a fair way from my house, so I decided to stay dry #-o
Have you thought about using a nice pair of jugs?
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Drinking: Mama, He Treats Your Porter Mean (1838 Reid's Porter), The River, Comfortably Numb, From Russia With Love (RIS)

Up Next: Kings & Queens, Eldridge Pope Royal Oak clone, Stout! In The Name Of Love, Elusive Butterfly
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