Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
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Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
Hi everyone,
Anyone else use wilko de-ionised top up water for mixing with chemsan or starsan?
It says on the back “not suitable for human consumption” - do you think that’s because the bottle is not food safe? Does it matter for our purposes?
If it’s not ok, what bottled water are people using for this purpose these days?
Anyone else use wilko de-ionised top up water for mixing with chemsan or starsan?
It says on the back “not suitable for human consumption” - do you think that’s because the bottle is not food safe? Does it matter for our purposes?
If it’s not ok, what bottled water are people using for this purpose these days?
Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
Any water with a PH lower than 4.5 works for me. Can't find any where we live France so I bring back twelve litres when we go on holiday to Portugal.bitter_dave wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:39 amHi everyone,
Anyone else use wilko de-ionised top up water for mixing with chemsan or starsan?
It says on the back “not suitable for human consumption” - do you think that’s because the bottle is not food safe? Does it matter for our purposes?
If it’s not ok, what bottled water are people using for this purpose these days?
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Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
why worry?
Just use Ashbeck form Tesco.
aamcle
Just use Ashbeck form Tesco.
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Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
Or RO water from your local aquatic shop.
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Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
Wilko DI water will not be an issue. They are being absolutely correct in recommending it is not fit for human consumption . Nor is distilled water. The lack of minerals , especially calcium, could be harmful over time. Measuring pH of demin water is a fools game. Unless you know what you are doing, and have a decent pH meter, then forget it. If you use Starsan at the recommended dose rate it will reduce the pH of all potable waters to the desired operating pH, though frankly I cannot understand the fixation with Starsan. It is at best a biostat, and an expensive one to boot. You can get the same effect cheaper with a mix of Fairy liquid and phosphoric acid at a fraction of the cost. I never use Starsan. I have a 1 Litre bottle that I will never use. Better still use an oxy cleaner which genrates hydrogen peroxide.
Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
FAIRY LIQUID ?? in your beer
Ideal drink whilst listening to this
https://www.google.com/search?q=willie+ ... 0my%20beer
Ideal drink whilst listening to this

https://www.google.com/search?q=willie+ ... 0my%20beer
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Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
Is your tap water undrinkable?
Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
For much of the year yes. It contains more chlorine than our swimming pool.
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Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
If your water stinks of chlorine then it is probably chloramine. This substance really stinks. I doubt if you could detect residual chlorine in your water supply.I cannot. If your water is chloramine treate d then you will smell it.
As for my Fairy Liquid phsophoric acid suggestions consider this. Fairy liquid is a consumenr product. It is very safe. It consists of anionic and non - ionic surfactans. Starsan consists of phssphoric acid and DDBSA (dodecyl benzene sulphonic acid). The later is an anionic surfactant that is under review. Benzene sulphonic acids are not very biodegradable. So would you rather have persistant surfactant or a more consumer friendly version. Think about it
As for my Fairy Liquid phsophoric acid suggestions consider this. Fairy liquid is a consumenr product. It is very safe. It consists of anionic and non - ionic surfactans. Starsan consists of phssphoric acid and DDBSA (dodecyl benzene sulphonic acid). The later is an anionic surfactant that is under review. Benzene sulphonic acids are not very biodegradable. So would you rather have persistant surfactant or a more consumer friendly version. Think about it
Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
I have tested our water supply using the the same test kit that I use on our swimming pool and the chlorine concentration is approximately double.Carnot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:16 pmIf your water stinks of chlorine then it is probably chloramine. This substance really stinks. I doubt if you could detect residual chlorine in your water supply.I cannot. If your water is chloramine treate d then you will smell it.
As for my Fairy Liquid phsophoric acid suggestions consider this. Fairy liquid is a consumenr product. It is very safe. It consists of anionic and non - ionic surfactans. Starsan consists of phssphoric acid and DDBSA (dodecyl benzene sulphonic acid). The later is an anionic surfactant that is under review. Benzene sulphonic acids are not very biodegradable. So would you rather have persistant surfactant or a more consumer friendly version. Think about it
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1. Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly used, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming... "f*ck, what a trip
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Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
Jeez. OK I get where you are going then.
That must make it sooo much harder for a lot of things. Do you how what chlorine they add?
I only ask, cos some can be cured (removed).
Does it boil, or Sun off?
Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
I use an active carbon filter plus a particulate filter in tandem. Works a treat.
"You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on." Dean Martin
1. Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly used, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming... "f*ck, what a trip
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1. Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly used, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming... "f*ck, what a trip
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Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
I use a 10" taste and odour filter it removes chlorine.
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Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
I very much doubt if you aresmelling chrlorine. More likely you water is being treated with chloramine which is has a much lower odour threshold. It stinks.Have a look at this link.
https://dnr.wi.gov/regulations/labcert/ ... mistry.pdf
Some of the UK water companies are now using chloramines. What sort of chhlorine test kit did you use. Was it free chlorine?
Acarbo filter should help.
https://dnr.wi.gov/regulations/labcert/ ... mistry.pdf
Some of the UK water companies are now using chloramines. What sort of chhlorine test kit did you use. Was it free chlorine?
Acarbo filter should help.
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Re: Wilko deionised top up water for Chemsan / Starsan
I'm a but late to the party with this, but there seems to be such a lack of concrete information from the manufacturers and conflicting information on forums regarding StarSan, last year I emailed Five Star Chemicals to no avail. So, I called them and the person I spoke to said the only effect of mixing it with water of what is assumed to be the wrong ph is that it goes cloudy.
There is no mention of ph on the label either. In lots of the blog and forum posts I've read, I got impression StarSan never 'dies', but their website says to use it within one hour once mixed.
So, I'm inclined to beleive what I was told by Five Star and use tap water even though it goes cloudy. Since I started using StarSan, I've had one infection that I know although was caused by a sanitation issue, it was because something wasn't sanitised. Mind you, it could be that all of my brews are infected and I hust haven't realised.
Maybe if enough homebrewers email and ask, they'll produce a factsheet with all the information we need.
There is no mention of ph on the label either. In lots of the blog and forum posts I've read, I got impression StarSan never 'dies', but their website says to use it within one hour once mixed.
So, I'm inclined to beleive what I was told by Five Star and use tap water even though it goes cloudy. Since I started using StarSan, I've had one infection that I know although was caused by a sanitation issue, it was because something wasn't sanitised. Mind you, it could be that all of my brews are infected and I hust haven't realised.
Maybe if enough homebrewers email and ask, they'll produce a factsheet with all the information we need.