AG#2 coming up... Loughton Pride - hopping advice pls

[Iank]

Hi looks like the only chance to get a mash on this side of Sept will be early next week so hurriedly aiming for Tuesday - weather looking hot but hopefully will cool later in the week.

Wanting to try a London Pride type clone, but use ingredients to hand to use them up, particularly hops.
Reading other LP threads have opted for roughly 95/4/1 ratio pale/crystal/choc but have made up the hops. Have also read that the brewery fiddles with hopping from time to time so hope this will be OK.
Will also be using Pearl malt mostly insted of MO (again, that's what we've got).

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Loughton Pride
Brewer: Ian
Asst Brewer: Ben
Style: English Special or Best Bitter
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Size: 23.00 L
Estimated OG: 1.044 SG
Estimated Color: 21.4 EBC
Estimated IBU: 33.9 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 94.34 %
0.18 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (118.2 EBC) Grain 4.25 %
0.06 kg Chocolate Malt (886.5 EBC) Grain 1.42 %
20.00 gm Target [10.70 %] (90 min) Hops 24.2 IBU
20.00 gm Fuggles [4.50 %] (20 min) Hops 5.8 IBU
20.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (10 min) Hops 3.8 IBU
1 Pkgs SafAle English Ale (DCL Yeast #S-04) Yeast-Ale

Would really appreciate some input as to whether this looks OK - doesn't have to be exactly LP, but something similar and nice! Would adding some Torrified Wheat be sensible to give it some head (assuming we have some) or should I leave it out?
Thanks, Ian

[mr bond]

Looks like a good recipe for a nice bitter to me.
Flaked maize or air popped corn would boost the OG a little if you have some and give it that Fullers authenticity.But if thats what youv'e got in the cupboard ,then go 4 it.

[macleanb]

Hi Chaps

Going to be wingman on this brew - so any one else got an opinion on flaked maize or no, seems at some time they did use in the real thing, but now dont, but more concerned with flavour/body comparison that ingredient correctness...

Also - any thoughtsd on the hop profile, dry hopping also?

[Iank]

Hi, thanks I looked at that recipe, but I noted that Fuller's seem to now be using an all-malt recipe using pale/crystal/choc, as per this thread:
viewtopic.php?p=165085&highlight=#165085
SO i was basing my recipe on that, but as I said I also want to use up ingredients to hand as I'm not going to be doign another brew for a while, so kind of made the hops up, whilst hoping to be relatively similar, but that's where I'm most unsure.
Noted the grain yield figures, thanks.

[DaveH]

Hi, thanks I looked at that recipe, but I noted that Fuller's seem to now be using an all-malt recipe using pale/crystal/choc, as per this thread:
viewtopic.php?p=165085&highlight=#165085
SO i was basing my recipe on that, but as I said I also want to use up ingredients to hand as I'm not going to be doign another brew for a while, so kind of made the hops up, whilst hoping to be relatively similar, but that's where I'm most unsure.
Noted the grain yield figures, thanks.

Here's the brewday thread for that brew.... i tweaked the grist content slightly...see the thread for details. Hop schedule as per the original thread you quoted above. Oh, by the way, decided to call my version "Chiswick Cheater" hehehehehe......i tell you one thing it is "Fuller" flavour LOL!!!

viewtopic.php?t=13650

Mine is now cold conditioning after it's warm week - tried a crafty sup and its VERY nice - not spot on as i didn't use 'Fullers' yeast, but close enough for me for now!!!

Good luck mate!

[Iank]

Thanks, we 'found' some challenger pellets so will tweak the hop schedule to be a bit more authentic. I'll probably still use fuggles and/or goldings towards the end for some nice hop aroma.
And am intending to ferment this in Ben's ATC800 modified freezer
viewtopic.php?t=14255

[macleanb]

not spot on as i didn't use 'Fullers' yeast

Safale 04 wont give you the flavour you are looking for in fullers beers

Go on - you know you should! Otherwise I'll brew with it and upset you!

I think a 24 starter is acceptable with a wyeast "for propagation" packs - its pretty fresh....

If you pick up the fridge tomorrow ten I'l slip in some DME, my 2ltr starter bottle and the smack pack...

[Dennis King]

Have brewed Graham Wheelers recipe using wyeast and white labs London yeast. Both very good. Is the white labs Fullers strain too.

[subsub]

Did the Almanac recipe a while back and it's bang on for the cask London Pride. As far as I know WLP002 is Fullers.

[macleanb]

the draw back with pitching at 24hrs is you have to pitch the starter medium too

Hi Daab - Whats the alternative?

P.s. I have the Wyeast 1968 propagator pack.

[macleanb]

Hi Daab

Great thanks - so will try and persuade Ian that a 24hr 1ltr starter will do the trick - should I aim for an starter OG the same as the target OG of the brew?

cheers & ttfn benm

[Iank]

Right, looks like we might be brewing this this afternoon instead of tomorrow anyway (Ben's idea not mine), so that would put the yeast starter out of the equation. I understand it would be preferable however to get the authentic Fuller's flavour. That said, in some ways it might be beneficial for me not to use it to see in what way the flavour is different.
However, If we do it tomorrow, how about you make up the starter and bring it over then? Cos if we don't brew tonight I'll be going out so won't get time...

Anyway I'm going to fiddle with the hop schedule now we have challenger.

[Iank]

OK have fiddled with the recipe here to take account of what we now have in our inventory. Basically half/half pearl/MO, and challenger hops added.
No Northdown, and using 20g Goldings at 10m for some aroma.
Have updated yields to 1.036 for the pales and 1.032 for crystal/choc.

Yeast still to be decided!

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Loughton Pride
Brewer: Ian
Asst Brewer: Ben
Style: English Special or Best Bitter
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Size: 23.00 L
Estimated OG: 1.041 SG
Estimated Color: 21.1 EBC
Estimated IBU: 32.7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
2.00 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 47.17 %
2.00 kg Pale Malt, Pearl (5.0 EBC) Grain 47.17 %
0.18 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (118.2 EBC) Grain 4.25 %
0.06 kg Chocolate Malt (886.5 EBC) Grain 1.42 %
20.00 gm Challenger [6.30 %] (90 min) Hops 14.6 IBU
16.00 gm Target [9.00 %] (90 min) Hops 15.0 IBU
20.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [4.50 %] (10 min) Hops 3.2 IBU
1 Pkgs SafAle English Ale (DCL Yeast #S-04) Yeast-Ale