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Post by edit1now » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:21 pm

Apology 1: this is not the simple way to make an immersion chiller. Go here or here for a simple way.

Apology 2: lots of pictures.

After reading this I felt inspired to go slightly crazy, and anyway I like making things.

I have a normal home-made immersion chiller already, made from about 10 metres of 8mm copper, and following the discussions about twin-coil ICs I wondered if a quadruple IC would chill the wort even faster.

I wanted fairly even coils, so I made a former out of a stack of plywood discs about 6" in diameter (the largest size which would fit on my little lathe) and cut a V-shaped thread at 1/2" pitch using the router on the lathe (I think this is called thread milling):

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You can see the table clamp from an old Ergotron computer monitor arm, and a bit of angle-iron which is bolted through the plywood discs. The same bolts held the plywood onto the lathe faceplate.

Here you can see the 8mm copper pipe measured for one of the arms which stick up:

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And here it's being bent up:

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using a cheapo pipe bender (the little pipe cutter is at the bottom of the picture):

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The arm passes through a hole drilled in the plywood former:

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like this:

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Now I started to wind the copper tube round the former (I clamped the former to the imitation Workmate bench so I could walk round it with the coil of pipe):

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After a while I ran out of grooves:

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so I had to guesstimate how much to cut off:

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and then bend the end in a bit, then up:

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Then I had to work the coil off the former, trying not to knacker it:

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Three more to go, with progressively shorter sticking-up arms:

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Having used my single-coil IC in its originally wobbly state (the loose coils tended to Zebedee around a bit), then stiffened it with soldered-on brass strips, I knew I wanted to do the same with the new quad IC. I drilled lots of little holes 8mm apart at 1/2" centres (sorry about the mixed non-SI units) in two lengths of scrap plywood and sewed the copper tube to the plywood with twists of galvanised garden wire:

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Close-up:

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Then I soldered four brass strips to the copper coils:

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You can see the bits of thin plywood I used to force the coils into the right shape.

Close-up of (lead-free) solder joints:

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Then I had to cut all those twists of galvanised wire:

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Next I bent the first set of four arms so they would meet up over the edge of the boiler, cut the bent ends to the same length and soldered-on an 8mm-to-22mm manifold, a stub of 22mm copper tube, and a 22mm-to-3/4"BSP adaptor (to fit the garden hose ends):

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Close-up of fittings:

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Two arms bent and soldered:

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Seems to fit the boiler:

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In use on Saturday 13th of September, making Hefeweizen - you can also see the U-tube as I'm recirculating the boiling wort to speed-up the cooling:

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Did it cool the beer faster? Only for the first bit from boiling (the PID is reading high at 103C):

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Five minutes to drop from 100C to 62C:

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but then another fifteen minutes to get down to 24.6C when I gave up, ran it off into the brewing bucket and pitched the yeast. The tap water was about 21C when I started and 19C when I finished. I reckon it should be quicker in the winter when we should get much colder tap water.

Worth making it? Well, it was fun, but maybe a bit like overkill. I used about 12 metres of copper pipe including the sticking-up arms, and the cooling might have been better if I'd made the coils bigger, or longer, to have slightly more cold pipe in contact with the hot wort.
Last edited by edit1now on Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.

kevthebootboy

Post by kevthebootboy » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:34 pm

you have way too much time on your hands...ever thought of getting a hobby?? :lol: :lol:

that truly is a nice bit of kit. :=P

mysterio

Post by mysterio » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:05 pm

Amazing work!

prolix

Post by prolix » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:26 pm

Edit fantastic piece of work mate but I don't think it will be any better than Gurghs dual. Let me explain.

It works efficently because of the t piece dramaticallty increase the entropy in the system by reducing the laminar flow and thereby increase the thermal absorbtion ability of the fluid over a shorter distance and with the T pieces at or in the hot fluid there is no time for laminar flow to be restored thus fast heat extraction.

By making lots of beautiful curves you have kept the flow laminar and so the the fluid will absorb less heat and the distance from the junction to the heat source is quiet far thus allowing the fluid to loose entropy itself and restore laminar flow.

It has been a while since I last did thermodynamics but thats about the guist of it.

I tried putting orifice plates in the pipes in my IC but then gave it up as not worth the effort but would be interesting to see.

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Post by mixbrewery » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:31 pm

You truly are the coppermeister! 8)

Like you say" a bit overkill" but it makes you feel good when it works.
Class job there Michael. =D>
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Post by edit1now » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:36 pm

Prolix - so the cooling water flows beautifully along the smooth inside of the pipe, and you get a layer of water heated by the hot wort closest to the pipe wall, so the middle of the water in the pipe doesn't mix with the water next to the pipe wall?

I wonder what would happen if I aerated the cooling water in some way - maybe by injecting air into the line or getting it to suck air through a venturi like my filter pump? Maybe that would force the water to mix more in the pipes?

My other thought is to use both the old and new ICs in parallel, which would really increase the cooling surface! I think the quad IC will fit inside the single.

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Post by spearmint-wino » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:41 pm

20 mins to cool a summer brew - at least twice as quick as I've ever managed. Tidy work! 8)

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Post by Bongo » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:44 pm

I enjoyed that,great work fella i'm impressed,i especially like the seems to fit the boiler pic,looks like some giant spider trying to escape.

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Post by Garth » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:46 pm

amazing bit of kit there edit, nice one, loved the pictures

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Post by Jolum » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:52 pm

Personally, I wouldn't know if it was more or less efficient than any other 'multi'-IC on here but when you look at the finished product, well it's just....WOW...cool 8)

Nice work Edit :)
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Toast

Post by Toast » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:22 pm

Beautiful work makes my wonky, wrapped round a demijohn piece of c--p look what it really is.
Your craft skills are way above mine.
As soon as I can work out how to solder I'm making one of these:
http://www.wortomatic.com/php/articles.php?ID=11
The principle is much the same as an IC but you need a wee pump to circ the wort.
By the looks of things, they are very efficient.

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Post by Aleman » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:52 am

I'm going to do the same toast, but using two coils one inside the other, and putting the return between the two coils

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Post by edit1now » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:25 am

Good link, Toast!

I was pumping my wort around, but the return outlet wasn't right next to the quad IC.

Another point from looking at MyloFiore's instructions: he used American 1/2" bore annealed copper tube. You may need to look around for 15mm (that's nearly the same size but outside diameter) in the UK if you want it annealed, because our normal 15mm tube is sold as Table X, which isn't very soft. You can get 10mm and below as Table W, which is soft enough to bend with your hands. My HERMS post shows the difficulty I had trying to coil 15mm Table X tubing, whereas if you get a coil, not a straight length, of 10mm you should be laughing.

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Post by edit1now » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:34 am

Toast - if you or any of our other chums on JBK wanted to come to my house for a couple of hours I'll teach you to solder using the bits for your new IC (if you've got them, or on scrap copper if you haven't).

PM me if you're interested. I'm in Sudbury Hill, five minutes from the Tube station.

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Post by Toast » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:18 pm

That's an extraordinary kind offer!
However I'm deep in clearing the house ready for emigration to New Zealand - eight weeks to go, not enough time! so would not be able to swing that one past the management!
The reason I took up - and you guys without knowing taught me - home brewing was so there'd be one less thing to miss in NZ. As it turns out, I have found beer making a joy and would, given half a chance, do it all the time. When I get to NZ I shall try and find a course for that find of thing, as it is even more DIY over there than here. The cost of raw ingredients and equipment is v. high as there are so few people in the country to warrant a big market.

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